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Anys idea what this gondola load might have been?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/371236096724 That B&O gondola 352409 is nearly brand new in this 1958 photo. Tim O'Connor |
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Schuyler Larrabee
I don't really know, but if you enlarge the photo sufficiently, down at the
water's edge, there is one of the cardboard wrappers that's broken open, and it looks like there is a gray-painted rectangular object in there that has a tube out the end. Perhaps some sort of HVAC device? A muffler? They had to be fairly beefy things as they are cardboard-wrapped, held closed with no less than four steel straps. Looks like they were shipped on end. Also interesting is the way the wreck must have moved some dirt around; the truck of the wrecked car appears to be half-buried in the fill above the left end of the car. Is this a NKP car? Took a pretty good bite into the roof of the Cotton Belt box on the right. Schuyler Tim asks: Any idea what this gondola load might have been? http://www.ebay.com/itm/371236096724 That B&O gondola 352409 is nearly brand new in this 1958 photo. Tim O'Connor |
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Schuyler
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Good guess, could be something like mufflers. I also thought they might be stamped or extruded metal parts of some kind. On closer inspection I see an ampersand -- & -- on that gondola, and given the color, I wonder if that is a B&LE gondola. Tim O I don't really know, but if you enlarge the photo sufficiently, down at the |
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Ernie Valentine
Another possibility is insulators for high voltage power transmission lines. The packing looks to be about the right size and type for high voltage insulators. Ernie Valentine Red Wing |
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Tim Mulina BHI <bhipubs@...>
My 2 cents.
They were shipped laid flat on the floor cross the gon. You can see the wood that was placed underneath to keep them up off the floor in transit plus the ones still stuck in the car by the Cotton Belt box show how they were laid. If they had been placed in the car on end, as it rolled the ones out in the open would have thrown further out into the water and not be so compacted.
At first glance I thought they were untreated crossties because that is exactly how the roads ship them to the creosote plant. I spent a couple of long hot summers in and out of one relaying a yard on the KCS in the early 1980’s working Section Gang.
While I can see that it looks a lot like cardboard, it does not make sense in an open car. The wrapping looks to be wood planks or plywood as you can see some grain on some of the boxes.
On the one that is open it looks like a set of 2 square tubes. You can see it better looking at the reflection of it in the water.
Tim Mulina BHI Publications http://www.quickpicbooks.com/ https://www.facebook.com/bhipubs
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Another possibility is insulators for high voltage power transmission lines. The packing looks to be about the right size and type for high voltage insulators.
Ernie Valentine Red Wing
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And I¹d say there are more of them loaded in the B&O gon.
Thanks! -- Brian Ehni From: STMFC List <STMFC@...> Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@...> Date: Monday, January 19, 2015 at 2:36 PM To: STMFC List <STMFC@...> Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: interesting gondola load My 2 cents. They were shipped laid flat on the floor cross the gon. You can see the wood that was placed underneath to keep them up off the floor in transit plus the ones still stuck in the car by the Cotton Belt box show how they were laid. If they had been placed in the car on end, as it rolled the ones out in the open would have thrown further out into the water and not be so compacted. At first glance I thought they were untreated crossties because that is exactly how the roads ship them to the creosote plant. I spent a couple of long hot summers in and out of one relaying a yard on the KCS in the early 1980¹s working Section Gang. While I can see that it looks a lot like cardboard, it does not make sense in an open car. The wrapping looks to be wood planks or plywood as you can see some grain on some of the boxes. On the one that is open it looks like a set of 2 square tubes. You can see it better looking at the reflection of it in the water. Tim Mulina BHI Publications http://www.quickpicbooks.com/ https://www.facebook.com/bhipubs From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 11:56 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Re: interesting gondola load Another possibility is insulators for high voltage power transmission lines. The packing looks to be about the right size and type for high voltage insulators. Ernie Valentine Red Wing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Looks like untreated ties, Fenton Wells On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
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Benjamin Hom
Fenton Wells wrote:
"Looks like untreated ties." http://www.ebay.com/itm/371236096724 Look again, Fenton. Why would untreated ties be wrapped and banded? Ben Hom |
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Fenton,
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I’m not sure why untreated ties would be individually wrapped in cardboard. ;)
dIf you zoom in on the figure, the items appear to be about the size of ties, but seem to have cardboard wrapping held on with multiple metal straps, wood end plugs and appear to contain square tubing (perhaps galvanized metal?). There appears
to have been scrap wood blocking beneath the load, but not between the pieces and it appears that it only just filled the gondola.
Regards Bruce
Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
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I'm convinced they are metal shapes of some kind. The boxes all appear to be 8 feet or slightly longer -- This corresponds quite well with interior non-load bearing walls such as used in modern office buildings. I've seen them put up offices in buildings were I work and it's all metal posts and beams. They would be wrapped to keep them clean but they're not particularly vulnerable to moisture or temperature so shipping in a gondola seems ok. I suppose they could also be duct work pipes. Tim O' If you zoom in on the figure, the items appear to be about the size of ties, but seem to have cardboard wrapping held on with multiple metal straps, wood end plugs and appear to contain square tubing (perhaps galvanized metal?). There appears to have been scrap wood blocking beneath the load, but not between the pieces and it appears that it only just filled the gondola. |
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Guilty, I didn't zoom! My bad Fenton On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 9:29 AM, 'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
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Dave Lawler
Those boxes likely contain cold finish bar or small diameter tubing;
probably imported.
We used to unload tonnes of that material from salt water ships here.
Dave Lawler
Marine surveyor, retired.
Avon Lake, Ohio
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Todd Horton
Dave, I find a little hard to believe that those are imported pieces of steel given the date of the photo. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but in 1958 there was imported steel coming into the the US?
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A person once told me that the reason the US was so prosperous after the war was because we were the only country with manufacturing capability left in tact. USA products were shipped all over the world to help rebuild other countries. I'm sure by 1958 most other countries were back up and running by then but I would think most of their products were helping to rebuild the local economy of countries bombed heavily during the war. The steel mills in Pittsburgh and other areas throughout the USA were fully capable of making more than we could consume during this time era. I know in the 70's and 80's thru till today that imported good were flooding the US but I question this happening in 1958. I offer this up as proof of what I'm saying. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel_strike_of_1959 Todd Horton -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/20/15, 'Dave Lawler' davelawler@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
Subject: [STMFC] Re: interesting gondola load To: STMFC@... Date: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 7:42 PM Those boxes likely contain cold finish bar or small diameter tubing; probably imported. We used to unload tonnes of that material from salt water ships here. Dave Lawler Marine surveyor, retired. 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rwitt_2000
I agree with Dave that the load was of crates of some type much longer in one dimension than the other two. There appears to be packing material surrounding some type object that I have no clue what it may be. The sides of the individual crates were banded and possibly small groups of crates were banded together either before or after loading. The crates appeared to be shipped with the long axis vertical.
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Dave Lawler
Todd, you're probably correct. My guess was based on the proximity of the wreck to either Dundalk Marine Terminal (Baltimore) and the port of Philadelphia/Camden. The St. Lawrence Seaway opened in '58 but I doubt that a steel shipment would have gone up into the Great Lakes and be railed back to the east coast.
That being said, some of that type of steel is only produced in a few mills in the world. Even now, some of the big guys don't want to be bothered with special alloy material and it's just that the packaging looks exactly like the stuff that comes in from Europe and Asia today. Also, if you look real close at the photo it appears that the black B&O Gon 352409 resting above the red car has the same cargo. You can just see the ends of similar cases sticking up above the top of the car sides indicating that the cargo was loaded transversally. What I'm a bit hazy on is the width of the interior of a gondola of this type. The bars I'm referring to are about 8-10' long and fill the cases end to end and are usually wrapped in the case with heavy water resistant paper. We may never know for sure. Best regards, Dave Lawler |
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