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cooper black italic font on railroad cars

Benjamin Scanlon
 

Thank you for the responses, gentlemen.


Ben Scanlon

London, England
Charles Peck
 

I'll certainly look into what Kadee offers.  "Washed out" sounds a lot easier than fading with Scotchbright pads.
Chuck Peck

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 


I do not recommend Kadee decals, unless you want your white letters
to have that "washed out" look. Kadee makes wonderful models but their
lettering is strictly second-rate IMO. I got some of their decals to
make extra SP PS-2 hoppers, but I'll be using Microscale instead.

Tim O'

>Kadee will also do small run decals:
>
>http://www.kadee.com/htmbord/custom.htm
>
>Microscale and Rail Graphics will do larger runs.
>
>Arved Grass
BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

In many ways, ALPS is notable mostly for being quick. Computer fonts are not
necessarily always spot on. But you can¹t beat the turnaround time when it¹s
working (both of mine are not).

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Date: Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 1:57 PM
To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: cooper black italic font on railroad cars








>> I don't think Kadee uses it's own decals.

No one said they did, Arved. But for all I know, they pad print their
decals.
If they are now using an ALPS, that might be an improvement over what they
did
years ago when I got my decals. Personally I'm not crazy about ALPS decals
either. Silk screen decals are still the best IMO.

Tim O'









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Tim O'Connor
 

I don't think Kadee uses it's own decals.
No one said they did, Arved. But for all I know, they pad print their decals.
If they are now using an ALPS, that might be an improvement over what they did
years ago when I got my decals. Personally I'm not crazy about ALPS decals
either. Silk screen decals are still the best IMO.

Tim O'
arved_grass
 

I don't think Kadee uses it's own decals. Since the topic of using ALPS printed decals came up, I thought I'd note that Kadee offers this as well as other options. Here's their page on custom ALPS decals:

http://www.kadee.com/htmbord/alpscustom.htm

I can't imagine that they'd be any worse than anybody else's ALPS decals, especially at the price. I have considered them for my custom decals, but after a couple sheets, alternatives become more cost effective.

Arved Grass
Arved_Grass@... or Arved@...
Fleming Island, Florida

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On Thu, 1/22/15, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

I do not recommend Kadee decals, unless you want your white letters
to have that "washed out" look. Kadee makes wonderful models but their
lettering is strictly second-rate IMO. I got some of their decals to
make extra SP PS-2 hoppers, but I'll be using Microscale instead.

Tim O'

Kadee will also do small run decals:

http://www.kadee.com/htmbord/custom.htm

Microscale and Rail Graphics will do larger runs.

Arved Grass
Tim O'Connor
 

I do not recommend Kadee decals, unless you want your white letters
to have that "washed out" look. Kadee makes wonderful models but their
lettering is strictly second-rate IMO. I got some of their decals to
make extra SP PS-2 hoppers, but I'll be using Microscale instead.

Tim O'

Kadee will also do small run decals:

http://www.kadee.com/htmbord/custom.htm

Microscale and Rail Graphics will do larger runs.

Arved Grass
arved_grass
 

Kadee will also do small run decals:

http://www.kadee.com/htmbord/custom.htm

Microscale and Rail Graphics will do larger runs.

Arved Grass
Arved_Grass@... or Arved@...
Fleming Island, Florida

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On Thu, 1/22/15, 'North Model Railroad Supplies' nmrs@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Subject: [STMFC] Re: cooper black italic font on railroad cars
To: STMFC@...
Date: Thursday, January 22, 2015, 4:23 AM


 









Hi Ben,I’m not aware of any
railroad using Cooper Black Italicized.But as Cooper Black is a
standard font in Word, and like all the Word fonts can be
italicized, why not make your own, or have someone do some
decals for you (depending on colour)?If you want black, Micro mark
sell paper that will allow you to print from your inkjet
printer.If you want
white or other colours, join the Yahoo Alpsdecal Group and
ask if anyone will make the decals for you.Alternatively, I have a mate
with a Roland printer who will do the same job.If you email my off group,
I’ll give you his email address.CheersDave North    









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tyesac@...
 

Ben,
 
The non italicized Cooper Black was found on some Santa Fe freight cars painted in the 70's & 80's.  It was first used on road deisels starting in 1959, so it's out of scope for this group for freight cars.  Typically, Santa Fe used Cooper Black in white for some box cars painted in mineral red, black or light blue (less common) for some airslide covered hoppers.  Being trackside in the 70's & 80's I can't recall seing anybody else using the Cooper Black, and not in italic.  As much as I hate to state in terms of "always or never", maybe some photo will then be pulled out of the shadows to prove me wrong about that.
 
Tom Ccasey


-----Original Message-----
From: 'North Model Railroad Supplies' nmrs@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Thu, Jan 22, 2015 3:56 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re: cooper black italic font on railroad cars

 
Hi Ben,
I’m not aware of any railroad using Cooper Black Italicized.
But as Cooper Black is a standard font in Word, and like all the Word fonts can be italicized, why not make your own, or have someone do some decals for you (depending on colour)?
If you want black, Micro mark sell paper that will allow you to print from your inkjet printer.
If you want white or other colours, join the Yahoo Alpsdecal Group and ask if anyone will make the decals for you.
Alternatively, I have a mate with a Roland printer who will do the same job.
If you email my off group, I’ll give you his email address.
Cheers
Dave North
 
 
North Model Railroad Supplies <nmrs@...>
 

Hi Ben,

I’m not aware of any railroad using Cooper Black Italicized.

But as Cooper Black is a standard font in Word, and like all the Word fonts can be italicized, why not make your own, or have someone do some decals for you (depending on colour)?

If you want black, Micro mark sell paper that will allow you to print from your inkjet printer.

If you want white or other colours, join the Yahoo Alpsdecal Group and ask if anyone will make the decals for you.

Alternatively, I have a mate with a Roland printer who will do the same job.

If you email my off group, I’ll give you his email address.

Cheers

Dave North

 

 
Benjamin Scanlon
 

My hope is that a few such typists and fontists reside here. 


Cooper black italic typeface looks like a post-1960 thing, but it was created in the early 1920s, and was according to Wiki, hugely popular in Chicago and the Midwest in the 1920s, not sure if that popularity made it to any railroad ... but if there was any decal that used it, it would  be handy to know.


Ben Scanlon

London
Tony Thompson
 

Brother William Bryk wrote:

 
It is a somewhat cheeky answer.  Moreover, I don't have the correct one.  But I think overlooking the issue of font v. stencil and simply addressing whether any railroad used lettering in the style of Cooper black italic on their rolling stock would have been more helpful and, perhaps, even fraternal, as this hobby is something of a brotherhood.

   Say, brother, the type geeks and font snobs are a brotherhood too.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history
William Bryk <wmbryk@...>
 

It is a somewhat cheeky answer.  Moreover, I don't have the correct one.  But I think overlooking the issue of font v. stencil and simply addressing whether any railroad used lettering in the style of Cooper black italic on their rolling stock would have been more helpful and, perhaps, even fraternal, as this hobby is something of a brotherhood.

Regards,
William Bryk

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 11:59 PM, 'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Ben,

The simple, somewhat cheeky answer is that no, no railroads used Cooper Black italic font on their rolling stock... because as we have noted a number of time, rolling stock was not lettered with "fonts" but rather with stencils.  Fonts are the province of typesetters and the like.

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: STMFC@... [STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 7:48 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] cooper black italic font on railroad cars



Hi


Kind of an odd question, but I am wondering if any railroad used Cooper black italic font on their rolling stock.  Sounds obscure but 'Cooper black' was what the ATSF used on their diesels, but the italic version seems to be somewhat rarer, and I'm trying to find a decal or transfer with lettering in that font. 


Regards,


Ben Scanlon

London, UK






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Brooklyn, New York 11209-2614
Tel/Fax: (347) 497-5972
Bruce Smith
 

Ben,

The simple, somewhat cheeky answer is that no, no railroads used Cooper Black italic font on their rolling stock... because as we have noted a number of time, rolling stock was not lettered with "fonts" but rather with stencils.  Fonts are the province of typesetters and the like.

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

From: STMFC@... [STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 7:48 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] cooper black italic font on railroad cars



Hi


Kind of an odd question, but I am wondering if any railroad used Cooper black italic font on their rolling stock.  Sounds obscure but 'Cooper black' was what the ATSF used on their diesels, but the italic version seems to be somewhat rarer, and I'm trying to find a decal or transfer with lettering in that font. 


Regards,


Ben Scanlon

London, UK
Benjamin Scanlon
 

Hi


Kind of an odd question, but I am wondering if any railroad used Cooper black italic font on their rolling stock.  Sounds obscure but 'Cooper black' was what the ATSF used on their diesels, but the italic version seems to be somewhat rarer, and I'm trying to find a decal or transfer with lettering in that font. 


Regards,


Ben Scanlon

London, UK

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