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Crane Underside Detail

Matt Goodman
 

I think this is appropriate for this list.

This photo is part of a 4K + photo collection documenting the flood control work in the Miami River Valley in southwest Ohio.

http://www.miamiconservancy.org/resources/ConstructionPhotos-WM.asp?ID=3024

Photo is dated 12/17/1918

Contextual photos are at these links:
http://www.miamiconservancy.org/resources/ConstructionPhotos-WM.asp?ID=3022
http://www.miamiconservancy.org/resources/ConstructionPhotos-WM.asp?ID=3023

Many more can be found from this launch page:
http://www.miamiconservancy.org/resources/index.asp

As can be expected, most cover river and dam related topics, but with the odd rail-related photo (steam and some traction) and great period context photos. If you’re a fan of steam powered shovels and drag lines, you’ll also find the site interesting.

Matt Goodman
Columbus OH

Michael Aufderheide
 

Matt,

 

Thanks for the great link.  Great photos, but very few freight cars.  Even the wrecks are passenger trains!  The photographer must have been a Passenger Car List guy.  Here is what I found searching for "railroad":

 

N&W gon:

http://www.miamiconservancy.org/resources/ConstructionPhotos-WM.asp?ID=2926

 

NYC gon:

http://www.miamiconservancy.org/resources/ConstructionPhotos-WM.asp?ID=3526

 

Side dump gondolas:

http://www.miamiconservancy.org/resources/ConstructionPhotos-WM.asp?ID=4077

Mike Aufderheide

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Mike, Matt, List Members,
 
One more, showing a UP stock car in Ohio (!)
 
 
  -  Claus Schlund
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 4:04 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Crane Underside Detail

Matt,

 

Thanks for the great link.  Great photos, but very few freight cars.  Even the wrecks are passenger trains!  The photographer must have been a Passenger Car List guy.  Here is what I found searching for "railroad":

 

N&W gon:

http://www.miamiconservancy.org/resources/ConstructionPhotos-WM.asp?ID=2926

 

NYC gon:

http://www.miamiconservancy.org/resources/ConstructionPhotos-WM.asp?ID=3526

 

Side dump gondolas:

http://www.miamiconservancy.org/resources/ConstructionPhotos-WM.asp?ID=4077

Mike Aufderheide

Todd Horton
 

What is the purpose of the large chain coming from the car to the trucks in
this photo? Todd Horton

http://www.miamiconservancy.org/resources/ConstructionPhotos-WM.asp?ID=3023

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 4:17 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Crane Underside Detail

I think this is appropriate for this list.

This photo is part of a 4K + photo collection documenting the flood control
work in the Miami River Valley in southwest Ohio.

http://www.miamiconservancy.org/resources/ConstructionPhotos-WM.asp?ID=3024

Photo is dated 12/17/1918

Contextual photos are at these links:
http://www.miamiconservancy.org/resources/ConstructionPhotos-WM.asp?ID=3022
http://www.miamiconservancy.org/resources/ConstructionPhotos-WM.asp?ID=3023

Many more can be found from this launch page:
http://www.miamiconservancy.org/resources/index.asp

As can be expected, most cover river and dam related topics, but with the
odd rail-related photo (steam and some traction) and great period context
photos. If you're a fan of steam powered shovels and drag lines, you'll
also find the site interesting.

Matt Goodman
Columbus OH

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Jeff Coleman
 

Looks like this crane was self propelled, that's the drive chain.

Jeff Coleman


-----Original Message-----
From: 'Todd Horton' toddchorton@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 5:39 am
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Crane Underside Detail

 
What is the purpose of the large chain coming from the car to the trucks in
this photo? Todd Horton

http://www.miamiconservancy.org/resources/ConstructionPhotos-WM.asp?ID=3023

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 4:17 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Crane Underside Detail

I think this is appropriate for this list.

This photo is part of a 4K + photo collection documenting the flood control
work in the Miami River Valley in southwest Ohio.

http://www.miamiconservancy.org/resources/ConstructionPhotos-WM.asp?ID=3024

Photo is dated 12/17/1918

Contextual photos are at these links:
http://www.miamiconservancy.org/resources/ConstructionPhotos-WM.asp?ID=3022
http://www.miamiconservancy.org/resources/ConstructionPhotos-WM.asp?ID=3023

Many more can be found from this launch page:
http://www.miamiconservancy.org/resources/index.asp

As can be expected, most cover river and dam related topics, but with the
odd rail-related photo (steam and some traction) and great period context
photos. If you're a fan of steam powered shovels and drag lines, you'll
also find the site interesting.

Matt Goodman
Columbus OH

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Yahoo Groups Links

Matt Goodman
 

It appears to be a means of self-propulsion - there is a drive pulley on the frame and another on the trailing axle of the truck. Interesting.

Matt Goodman
Columbus, Ohio

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On Jan 25, 2015, at 5:38 AM, 'Todd Horton' toddchorton@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

What is the purpose of the large chain coming from the car to the trucks in
this photo? Todd Horton

http://www.miamiconservancy.org/resources/ConstructionPhotos-WM.asp?ID=3023



-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 4:17 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Crane Underside Detail

I think this is appropriate for this list.

This photo is part of a 4K + photo collection documenting the flood control
work in the Miami River Valley in southwest Ohio.

http://www.miamiconservancy.org/resources/ConstructionPhotos-WM.asp?ID=3024

Photo is dated 12/17/1918

Contextual photos are at these links:
http://www.miamiconservancy.org/resources/ConstructionPhotos-WM.asp?ID=3022
http://www.miamiconservancy.org/resources/ConstructionPhotos-WM.asp?ID=3023

Many more can be found from this launch page:
http://www.miamiconservancy.org/resources/index.asp

As can be expected, most cover river and dam related topics, but with the
odd rail-related photo (steam and some traction) and great period context
photos. If you're a fan of steam powered shovels and drag lines, you'll
also find the site interesting.

Matt Goodman
Columbus OH

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Benjamin Hom
 

Claus Schlund wrote:
"One more, showing a UP stock car in Ohio (!)"
http://www.miamiconservancy.org/resources/ConstructionPhotos-WM.asp?ID=2191

Again, there's nothing unusual about an off-line stock car. Stop perpetuating this myth.


Ben Hom

Todd Horton
 

When I think of chain drive that isn’t what comes to mind but I think you’re correct.  Todd Horton

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 6:37 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Crane Underside Detail

 

 

Looks like this crane was self propelled, that's the drive chain.

Jeff Coleman

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Todd Horton' toddchorton@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 5:39 am
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Crane Underside Detail

 

What is the purpose of the large chain coming from the car to the trucks in
this photo? Todd Horton

http://www.miamiconservancy.org/resources/ConstructionPhotos-WM.asp?ID=3023


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Schleigh Mike
 

Hello Group----

Regarding chain drives on small railcar mounted cranes--

Self-powered on cranes was not at all unusual with these often being referred to as "locomotive" cranes.  This was one of the reasons speed restrictions were imposed when they were moved in freight or work trains.  Further, to keep this in a freight car context, they were frequently used around steam engine terminals to switch hoppers and gondolas for fuel and ash handling as well as handling the material.  Long-passed issues of Model Railroader had articles on powering both diesel and steam models.  Chain drive was the-way-to-GO a hundred or more years back.

Regards----Mike Schleigh


On Sunday, January 25, 2015 9:18 AM, "'Todd Horton' toddchorton@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
When I think of chain drive that isn’t what comes to mind but I think you’re correct.  Todd Horton
 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 6:37 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Crane Underside Detail
 
 
Looks like this crane was self propelled, that's the drive chain.

Jeff Coleman
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: 'Todd Horton' toddchorton@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 5:39 am
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Crane Underside Detail
 
What is the purpose of the large chain coming from the car to the trucks in
this photo? Todd Horton

http://www.miamiconservancy.org/resources/ConstructionPhotos-WM.asp?ID=3023


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Patrick Wade
 

A quick guess would be that it was some type of chain drive to move the crane a short distance for final positioning. Bet it was a noisy arrangement. And of course the truck got twisted in the accident so it is now at right angles to the drive chain.

Pat Wade
Santa Barbara, CA

On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 2:38 AM, 'Todd Horton' toddchorton@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

What is the purpose of the large chain coming from the car to the trucks in
this photo? Todd Horton

http://www.miamiconservancy.org/resources/ConstructionPhotos-WM.asp?ID=3023

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 4:17 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Crane Underside Detail

I think this is appropriate for this list.

This photo is part of a 4K + photo collection documenting the flood control
work in the Miami River Valley in southwest Ohio.

http://www.miamiconservancy.org/resources/ConstructionPhotos-WM.asp?ID=3024

Photo is dated 12/17/1918

Contextual photos are at these links:
http://www.miamiconservancy.org/resources/ConstructionPhotos-WM.asp?ID=3022
http://www.miamiconservancy.org/resources/ConstructionPhotos-WM.asp?ID=3023

Many more can be found from this launch page:
http://www.miamiconservancy.org/resources/index.asp

As can be expected, most cover river and dam related topics, but with the
odd rail-related photo (steam and some traction) and great period context
photos. If you're a fan of steam powered shovels and drag lines, you'll
also find the site interesting.

Matt Goodman
Columbus OH

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Yahoo Groups Links


destorzek@...
 

You realize the chain has to twist as the truck swivels. The chains that form the speed reduction, that run on sprockets on fixed shafts, are roller chain, similar to bicycle chain. But the last chain in the drive, which runs at the slowest speed, is round link chain which is better at dealing with the misalignment.

Typically, this last drive chain was taken down if the crane was to be handled in a train. The speed restrictions were due more to the poor riding characteristics of cranes in general; they tend to bounce, even if the boom is supported by a cradle on the idler car.

Dennis Storzek

John C. La Rue, Jr. <MOFWCABOOSE@...>
 

From what can be seen of it, this crane is technically a "bridge derrick" which had the self-propulsion feature mainly as a means of positioning itself. A true "locomotive crane" was also expected to switch and move additional cars. Locomotive cranes went to gears rather then chains for their transmission drives very early, by 1895 for most makes, partly because both axles (on a four-wheeled crane) and both inside axles (on an eight-wheeled crane) were powered to add to the tractive effort.
 
The pictures show this derrick in a very precarious position and the wreckmaster is going to have to be very careful when planning to roll it upright again to prevent it from slipping off the edge and suffering additional damage. It is entirely possible that if the derrick was railroad-owned, it might have ended up being scrapped rather then repaired, because of its age and the availability of better cranes to do the work.
 
John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: destorzek@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 12:48 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Crane Underside Detail

 
You realize the chain has to twist as the truck swivels. The chains that form the speed reduction, that run on sprockets on fixed shafts, are roller chain, similar to bicycle chain. But the last chain in the drive, which runs at the slowest speed, is round link chain which is better at dealing with the misalignment.

Typically, this last drive chain was taken down if the crane was to be handled in a train. The speed restrictions were due more to the poor riding characteristics of cranes in general; they tend to bounce, even if the boom is supported by a cradle on the idler car.

Dennis Storzek

Tim O'Connor
 

And since the car is not located at a stock pen, it's reasonable to think
the car was carrying a different type of load -- perhaps lumber or posts like
those lying on the ground near the car. Stock cars often found other employment
in the off seasons.

Tim O'Connor

Claus Schlund wrote:
"One more, showing a UP stock car in Ohio (!)"
http://www.miamiconservancy.org/resources/ConstructionPhotos-WM.asp?ID=2191

Again, there's nothing unusual about an off-line stock car. Stop perpetuating this myth.

Ben Hom

Charles Peck
 

OTOH, I see no reason to assume the stock car was at a destination point.  It could have been just as easily been set out for a hotbox
or other problem. 
Chuck Peck

On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 


And since the car is not located at a stock pen, it's reasonable to think
the car was carrying a different type of load -- perhaps lumber or posts like
those lying on the ground near the car. Stock cars often found other employment
in the off seasons.

Tim O'Connor

>Claus Schlund wrote:
>"One more, showing a UP stock car in Ohio (!)"
>http://www.miamiconservancy.org/resources/ConstructionPhotos-WM.asp?ID=2191
>
>Again, there's nothing unusual about an off-line stock car. Stop perpetuating this myth.
>
>Ben Hom


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