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Schuyler Larrabee
 

LaBelle makes (or made) a model of what could well be this specific car.  I built it longer ago than I want to think about, as a teenager.  Still have it, too.  It may have straight-pin Kadees on it, and IIRC, pizza cutter wheels.  Hard not to break off the railings.  I should dig that car out . . .

 

Schuyler

 


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Scott Haycock wrote:



 

Here's an interesting tank car. The photo is undated. Does anyone know about these cars?

 

    Many tank cars around the end of the 19th century had side walkways like this. See any historical collection.

 

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA

2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com

(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...

Publishers of books on railroad history

 

 

 
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
In N scale, Fine N Scale Products makes a cast resin kit for a car of similar era and construction.
 
See image below.
 
 
  -  Claus Schlund
 

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LaBelle makes (or made) a model of what could well be this specific car.  I built it longer ago than I want to think about, as a teenager.  Still have it, too.  It may have straight-pin Kadees on it, and IIRC, pizza cutter wheels.  Hard not to break off the railings.  I should dig that car out . . .

 

Schuyler

 


Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Digital Images - University of Kentucky’s Digital Library

 

 

Scott Haycock wrote:



 

Here's an interesting tank car. The photo is undated. Does anyone know about these cars?

 

    Many tank cars around the end of the 19th century had side walkways like this. See any historical collection.

 

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA

2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com

(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...

Publishers of books on railroad history

 

 

 
Cyril Durrenberger
 

This model is very different from the car shown in the photo. This model looks to be a flat car that has had a tank placed on it. This was not done very often and the few times this approach was used it was with narrow gauge cars or in some cases for cars used in maintenance service. Most early tank cars had an underframe that was different from the ones used on flat cars. Another point to make is that after 1904 tank cars were built with steel underframes.

Cyril Durrenberger
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On Fri, 2/27/15, 'Claus Schlund HGM' claus@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

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To: STMFC@...
Date: Friday, February 27, 2015, 11:33 PM


 












Hi List
Members,
 
In N scale, Fine N Scale
Products makes a cast
resin kit for a car of similar era and
construction.
 
See image
below.
 
http://www.finenscale.com/images/2103_2104Tankcar.jpg
 
  -  Claus
Schlund
 

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From:
'Schuyler Larrabee'
schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC@...

Sent: Friday,
February 27, 2015 8:30
PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC]
Re: Digital Images -
University of Kentucky's Digital Library



LaBelle makes (or made) a
model of what could well be this specific car.  I built
it longer ago
than I want to think about, as a teenager.  Still have
it, too.  It
may have straight-pin Kadees on it, and IIRC, pizza cutter
wheels.  Hard
not to break off the railings.  I should dig that car out
. .
.
 
Schuyler
 



Subject:
Re: [STMFC] Re: Digital Images - University of
Kentucky’s Digital
Library
 
 





Scott Haycock
wrote:




 


Here's an
interesting tank car. The photo is undated.
Does anyone know about these cars?


http://kdl.kyvl.org/catalog/xt7sf7664q86_5953_1

 

    Many tank cars
around the end of the 19th
century had side walkways like this. See any historical
collection.
 




Tony Thompson  
          Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley,
CA

2906 Forest Ave.,
Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com

(510) 540-6538;
fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...

Publishers of
books on railroad history


 
 
 













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Rupert & Maureen <gamlenz@...>
 

Cyril

I believe the steel underframe tank car goes back to 1893.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

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Sent: 28 February 2015 18:57
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Digital Images - University of Kentucky's Digital
Library

This model is very different from the car shown in the photo. This model
looks to be a flat car that has had a tank placed on it. This was not done
very often and the few times this approach was used it was with narrow gauge
cars or in some cases for cars used in maintenance service. Most early tank
cars had an underframe that was different from the ones used on flat cars.
Another point to make is that after 1904 tank cars were built with steel
underframes.

Cyril Durrenberger
--------------------------------------------
Scott H. Haycock
 

Here is an unusual view of a three compartment tank car.



Scott Haycock
David
 

Definitely unusual. It's a 3-compartment conversion of what was originally a single-dome Type V frameless tank car. Also appears to be lacking any safety valves for the domes.

David Thompson
Ian Cranstone
 

On 2015-02-28, at 6:53 AM, jaydeet2001@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

Definitely unusual. It's a 3-compartment conversion of what was originally a single-dome Type V frameless tank car. Also appears to be lacking any safety valves for the domes.

Actually, if you have a closer look you'll notice a hatch on the top of the tank body at the near end.  It turns out that UTLX 81014 is a tank car that has had a second conversion, this time to an AAR type "LT", which is a tank style car for handling dry commodities.  That's why there are no safety valves on the domes.
Steve and Barb Hile
 

Yes.  In the 1930’s UTLX experimented with converting older Type V tank cars into what was, essentially, a covered hopper car.  Note that there is a letter H on the end of the car, where their tank cars were marked as X or X-3, etc. The lack of center sills on the Van Dyke tank cars allowed them to presage the “Center Flow” cars by nearly 30 years.

 

The safety valves have been removed and a circular plate riveted over their location on the domes.

 

Actually a very cool find, there were not that many of these experimental cars.  So, an in-service shot is very interesting.

 

Regards,

Steve Hile

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 6:55 AM
To: STMFC@...
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On 2015-02-28, at 6:53 AM, jaydeet2001@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Definitely unusual. It's a 3-compartment conversion of what was originally a single-dome Type V frameless tank car. Also appears to be lacking any safety valves for the domes.

Actually, if you have a closer look you'll notice a hatch on the top of the tank body at the near end.  It turns out that UTLX 81014 is a tank car that has had a second conversion, this time to an AAR type "LT", which is a tank style car for handling dry commodities.  That's why there are no safety valves on the domes.

 
Cyril Durrenberger
 

My point was that after 1904 all tank cars were built with steel underframes. Clearly some tank cars with steel underframes were built before that time.

Cyril Durrenberger
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Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Digital Images - University of Kentucky's Digital Library
To: STMFC@...
Date: Saturday, February 28, 2015, 12:49 AM


 









Cyril



I believe the steel underframe tank car goes back to
1893.



Rupert Gamlen

Auckland NZ



-----Original Message-----

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]


Sent: 28 February 2015 18:57

To: STMFC@...

Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Digital Images - University of
Kentucky's Digital

Library



This model is very different from the car shown in the
photo. This model

looks to be a flat car that has had a tank placed on it.
This was not done

very often and the few times this approach was used it was
with narrow gauge

cars or in some cases for cars used in maintenance service.
Most early tank

cars had an underframe that was different from the ones used
on flat cars.

Another point to make is that after 1904 tank cars were
built with steel

underframes.



Cyril Durrenberger

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Steve and Barb Hile
 

Besides the UTLX hopper car, there are several other interesting cars in this photo, including another early style covered hopper, an MDT reefer and an PFE car with the enameled metal SP medallion.

 

Be sure to zoom in and move around.

 

Steve Hile

 

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Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 1:33 AM
To: Steam Era Freight Cars
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Digital Images - University of Kentucky's Digital Library

 

 

Here is an unusual view of a three compartment tank car.

 

 

 

Scott Haycock

 

 
gary laakso
 

Is that why it has so many handrail stanchions? It appears to be 10 on the visible side.
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
 

Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 8:46 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Digital Images - University of Kentucky's Digital Library
 
 

Yes.  In the 1930’s UTLX experimented with converting older Type V tank cars into what was, essentially, a covered hopper car.  Note that there is a letter H on the end of the car, where their tank cars were marked as X or X-3, etc. The lack of center sills on the Van Dyke tank cars allowed them to presage the “Center Flow” cars by nearly 30 years.

The safety valves have been removed and a circular plate riveted over their location on the domes.

Actually a very cool find, there were not that many of these experimental cars.  So, an in-service shot is very interesting.

Regards,

Steve Hile

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Definitely unusual. It's a 3-compartment conversion of what was originally a single-dome Type V frameless tank car. Also appears to be lacking any safety valves for the domes.

Actually, if you have a closer look you'll notice a hatch on the top of the tank body at the near end.  It turns out that UTLX 81014 is a tank car that has had a second conversion, this time to an AAR type "LT", which is a tank style car for handling dry commodities.  That's why there are no safety valves on the domes.
Bill Welch
 

The boxcar in the lower right is a L&N Pratt trusted boxcar, similar if not identical to the one under much discussion earlier in the week.

Bill Welch
Eric Hansmann
 

This looks to be an early style batch plant for a construction site. Note the hoppers are loaded to the halfway point with a light color material. Also note a covered hopper further into the photo on another track. And at the far right I see a PFE reefer coupled to an FGE, and on the same track as an MDT car. Look to the right and is that an ART reefer on the far side of the baggage car?  

Those L&N 36-foot DS box cars would be a nice addition to a product line. Many of their ventilated cars seemed to use the same design.

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX
Tim O'Connor
 


A very unusual car, with that access hatch (?) on the tank next to the dome.

Tim O'



Here is an unusual view of a three compartment tank car.

http://kdl.kyvl.org/catalog/xt702v2c8t1s_2661_1


Scott Haycock
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