#### NYC 28000 Series Stock Car

While on the subject of stock car, I’m chasing some information on the NYC 28000 series stock cars.

1)      What type of metal roofwalk were these cars fitted with?

This link is to a pdf with a pic of a 28000 series car 16 photos down the page.

2)      What does the stenciling above the LH stirrup say?

3)      What does the stenciling above the RH truck say?

757-8 is stenciled above the NYC herald.

4)      Would that number be the same on all 28000 series or vary from car to car?

If the latter, any idea of alternate numbers (ie, how the number changed)?

The photo on Page 109 of the 1953 Car Builders Cyclopedia shows another ¾ view of 28000.

5)      What do the two lines of stenciling above the coupler say?

Thanks in advance for any assistance.

Cheers

Dave North

Benjamin Hom

"While on the subject of stock car, I’m chasing some information on the NYC 28000 series stock cars. This link is to a pdf with a pic of a 28000 series car 16 photos down the page."
https://nycshs.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/the-nyc-oval.pdf

1)      What type of metal roofwalk were these cars fitted with?"

It doesn't appear to be metal.  It looks like a wood RUNNING BOARD.

"2)      What does the stenciling above the LH stirrup say?
3)      What does the stenciling above the RH truck say?"

The stenciling above the left SILLL STEP is illegible.  The stenciling above the right sill step appears to be repack data.

"757-8 is stenciled above the NYC herald.

4)      Would that number be the same on all 28000 series or vary from car to car?
If the latter, any idea of alternate numbers (ie, how the number changed)?"

This is the Lot Number for this series of cars (NYC 28000-28499); however, it's NOT "757-8", but "757-S".  It's always three digits followed by a dash and letter for car type (S = stock car, B = boxcar, H = hopper, G = gondola, F = flatcar, R = reefer).  It's the same number for all of the car in the series.  However, NYC often acquired the same design cars under different lot numbers, but in this case, this is the only lot of these stock cars.

This is the prototype for the AHM stock car.  See William Sharpe's "Kitbashing NYC Double-deck Stock Cars" in the March 1997 issue of Railroad Model Craftsman.

Ben Hom

ROGER HINMAN

The General Arrangement drawing for this stock car is Z-54158 and is available from the NYCHS society on CD156. The drawing clearly shows a wood running board as Ben pointed out
These were rebuilds of USRA cars.

Roger Hinman

On Apr 17, 2015, at 12:31 AM, 'North Model Railroad Supplies' nmrs@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

While on the subject of stock car, I’m chasing some information on the NYC 28000 series stock cars.

1)      What type of metal roofwalk were these cars fitted with?

This link is to a pdf with a pic of a 28000 series car 16 photos down the page.

https://nycshs.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/the-nyc-oval.pdf

2)      What does the stenciling above the LH stirrup say?

3)      What does the stenciling above the RH truck say?

757-8 is stenciled above the NYC herald.

4)      Would that number be the same on all 28000 series or vary from car to car?

If the latter, any idea of alternate numbers (ie, how the number changed)?

The photo on Page 109 of the 1953 Car Builders Cyclopedia shows another ¾ view of 28000.

5)      What do the two lines of stenciling above the coupler say?

Thanks in advance for any assistance.

Cheers

Dave North

Ben, Roger & Walt,

Thanks for your help with info on the NYC stock car.

Ben, that RMC article is excellent.

Cheers

Dave North

I am currently doing four of the 28000 series and two of the 27000 series.  Yes, the RMC article is an excellent guide.   There are actually a couple of more articles out done with fish belly underframes but I have not seen an actual photo.  The NYC drawings that I have show the lengthwise rod on the left hand side of the car as you face the brake end.  Photos show it on the opposite side.  For my cars, I am leaving the width as it is.  I didn't want to attempt cutting the car in half and then trying to get a good looking joint.  Plus the livestock enjoy the extra room!  I did one car with the end ladders with individual grabs. It's tedious but it came out okay.  I did wreck a couple of ladders in the process.  What helped me was using a sharp punch to make a starter hole before drilling.  Otherwise, I had difficulty with the bit wandering which damaged the ladder.  For the other cars, I'm using a stock Tichy ladder on the ends.  The rod on the bottom of the car is easily broken and I am thinking of removing it and replacing it with a brass rod.  If I do that, I'll file a groove in the back of the hangers.

Stan

Hi Stan,

Yes, I also saw the article mentioning the fishbelly underfame.

The General Arrangement diagram I sourced from the NYC Historical Society, and the photo in the pdf

show a straight underframe, which appears to be match the USRA underfame available from Tichy (which makes sense).

I feel I’ll probably narrow the body, but use the Tichy ends (which I hope should fit) to save gluing the ends back together and filing all those rib joints (grin).

Like you in intent to replace the plastic rod with a metal one.

I’ll drill the end two brackets using a normal twist drill but for the inner ones, I’ll use a needle to mark a centre hole on the inner bracket, then I’ll sharpen the end of a piece of steel or brass rod of the appropriate size to make a spade drill, mount it in a pin vise and feed it through the end bracket so I can tunnel bore the adjacent middle bracket, then do the same for the other middle bracket.

I’ve done this before for long grab irons, and it has worked well. There is a 50/50 chance it will work for this as well.

I’ll check out the other items you mention when the cars arrive (just bought them so I don’t have them yet).

Stan, do you have any other prototype photos of these cars, please?

Cheers

Dave North

Benjamin Hom

"There are actually a couple of more articles out done with fish belly underframes but I have not seen an actual photo."

Those articles are definitely in error.  Both lots of stock cars were converted from USRA SS boxcars, which did NOT have fishbelly underframes.

Ben Hom