MythBusters: Athearn "Standard" Baggage Car


Benjamin Hom
 

All,

The old claim that the Athearn "Standard" baggage car represents a Santa Fe prototype has cropped up on the B&O list. My Santa Fe passenger car references are somewhat lacking - would any of the Santa Fe modelers care to comment?

I'm very skeptical of the claim, and suspect that over the years modelers have applied the fact that the "Streamline" baggage represents a Santa Fe prototype (which is true) to the "Standard" baggage (which is dubious unless someone can prove otherwise).


Ben Hom


destorzek@...
 

I thought the Athearn heavyweight baggage car more or less faithfully followed the drawings of the USRA design published in several of the CBC's, except they missed the fact that on the USRA design the sides were mirror image, so both large doors were at the same end of the car.

Dennis Storzek


Benjamin Hom
 



Dennis Storzek wrote:
"I thought the Athearn heavyweight baggage car more or less faithfully followed the drawings of the USRA design published in several of the CBC's, except they missed the fact that on the USRA design the sides were mirror image, so both large doors were at the same end of the car."
 
Thanks!  The $64,000 question is "did anyone actually build cars to this design", or is it another Gould tank car?
 
 
Ben Hom


Andy Sperandeo
 

Hi Ben,

The Athearn standarad or heavyweight baggage car definitely does not represent any Santa Fe prototype. The Athearn car lacks the Santa Fe's characteristic I-beam side sill (often mis-labeled a channel sill, but it had two sides). The door sizes and locations don't match either, Santa Fe cars generally lacked belt rails, and the letter board is way too deep on the Athearn model. I wish there was an inexpensive Santa Fe heavyweight baggage car on the market, but unfortunately that's not the case.

So long,

Andy


Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 4/20/2015 7:56 AM, Andy Sperandeo asperandeo@... [STMFC] wrote:
I wish there was an inexpensive Santa Fe heavyweight baggage car on the market,

    I second that Andy!

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Tim O'Connor
 


I thought that the old Lambert brass cars were Santa Fe prototypes?
The prices I've seen those go for are about the same as present day
plastic cars.

Tim O'Connor



I wish there was an inexpensive Santa Fe heavyweight baggage car on the market,


Tony Thompson
 

      One problem I used to encounter in trying to kitbash from this model is that the belt rail is HUGE, and not easy to remove. Few prototypes have a belt rail in that exact location or appearance.

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destorzek@...
 




---In STMFC@..., <b.hom@...> wrote :
 
Thanks!  The $64,000 question is "did anyone actually build cars to this design", or is it another Gould tank car?
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Just found a pix of one on e-bay, and I guess I was wrong about the sides not being mirrored; both wide doors ARE on the same end of the car.

The car has never been useful to me, because the road I'm interested in didn't use different size doors on the same car, but the general body work, with the wide letterboard, is suggestive of cars AC&F built just after WWI.

Dennis Storzek


Steve SANDIFER
 

ATSF hwt had no chair rail on the side. ATSF prototypes normally had the unique channel sill at the base of the sides. So no, the Athearn hwt is not ATSF.


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-------- Original message --------
From: "Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC]"
Date:04/20/2015 8:57 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: STMFC List
Subject: [STMFC] MythBusters: Athearn "Standard" Baggage Car

 

All,

The old claim that the Athearn "Standard" baggage car represents a Santa Fe prototype has cropped up on the B&O list. My Santa Fe passenger car references are somewhat lacking - would any of the Santa Fe modelers care to comment?

I'm very skeptical of the claim, and suspect that over the years modelers have applied the fact that the "Streamline" baggage represents a Santa Fe prototype (which is true) to the "Standard" baggage (which is dubious unless someone can prove otherwise).

Ben Hom


Steve SANDIFER
 

They are ATSF, I have 5_6 of them and with a little work they can look great.

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-------- Original message --------
From: "Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]"
Date:04/20/2015 12:14 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] MythBusters: Athearn "Standard" Baggage Car

 


I thought that the old Lambert brass cars were Santa Fe prototypes?
The prices I've seen those go for are about the same as present day
plastic cars.

Tim O'Connor



I wish there was an inexpensive Santa Fe heavyweight baggage car on the market,


Andy Sperandeo
 

Tim O'Connor asked: "I thought that the old Lambert brass cars were Santa Fe prototypes?"

Yes, Tim, and Suydam cars before them. Both usually sell for reasonable prices, but supply is irregular and undependable. (I know, like many plastic cars, but still . . . .) And they take a bit of underbody work and re-detailing to make them usable – see my re-detailed Lambert RPO in the album "Andy S passenger cars" on the Yahoo Passenger Car List.

So long,

Andy