Upstate New York, HO rolling stock for 1920 time frame


Alex Ranaldi
 

Hi All,


I am attempting to model, in HO scale, the New York Central in upstate New York in the World War I timeframe, let's say 1915 to 1925. Rather than focus on a single specific year I am willing to be flexible, and those years are not set in stone.


I am finding it difficult to determine exactly what rolling stock would be appropriate and where to find it.


For example, I assume that Merchant's Despatch (MDT) 34' truss-rod reefers would be appropriate, but I don't know that they are commercially available. I've been scouring around without much luck!


I'm interested in purchasing rolling stock, either ready to run or kits, if they exist. If anyone can point me to some specific items it would be appreciated. I'm interested in road names that would be found in my geographical area but some foreign road names would be acceptable as well. Billboard style reefers are welcome also, and I've noticed there's no shortage of them on the market, but I'd prefer they be somewhat prototypically correct (within reason) for my time period and area


Is it fair to say that this is a difficult time period to model due to availability - are most manufacturers more focused on the present?


Thank you for any help that can be provided, either reading material, guidance, or commercial products.


Take care

-BrightOrange



Benjamin Hom
 

"BrightOrange" (who I'm not sure is a real person) asked:
"I am attempting to model, in HO scale, the New York Central in upstate New York in the World War I timeframe, let's say 1915 to 1925. Rather than focus on a single specific year I am willing to be flexible, and those years are not set in stone.

I am finding it difficult to determine exactly what rolling stock would be appropriate and where to find it."

Recommend you review these posts from Eric Hansmann's blog:
http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/a-guide-to-1920s-era-ho-scale-plastic-freight-cars/
 
 
Ben Hom


Cyril Durrenberger
 

Please sign you name to posts.

You might also look at the yahoo group 1914 - 1940 RRing that deals with the time period of interest to you.

There is much information and many of us will be happy to assist you.

Is there a specific railroad of interest to you. Annual reports from the railroad to the state railroad commission should have a list of private owner cars that were on the railroad during the year. These were reported from about 1895 to 1920.

There are many sources of cars during your time period of interest. Suggest you start with the posts that Eric Hansmann has made.

Cyril Durrenberger

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On Wed, 5/20/15, alexranaldi@gmail.com [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [STMFC] Upstate New York, HO rolling stock for 1920 time frame
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015, 8:48 AM


 









Hi All,
I am
attempting to model, in HO scale, the New York Central in
upstate New York in the World War I timeframe, let's say
1915 to 1925. Rather than focus on a single specific year I
am willing to be flexible, and those years are not set in
stone.
I am finding it
difficult to determine exactly what rolling stock would be
appropriate and where to find it.
For example, I assume that
Merchant's Despatch (MDT) 34' truss-rod reefers
would be appropriate, but I don't know that they are
commercially available. I've been scouring around
without much luck!
I'm
interested in purchasing rolling stock, either ready to run
or kits, if they exist. If anyone can point me to some
specific items it would be appreciated. I'm interested
in road names that would be found in my geographical area
but some foreign road names would be acceptable as well.
Billboard style reefers are welcome also, and I've
noticed there's no shortage of them on the market, but
I'd prefer they be somewhat prototypically correct
(within reason) for my time period and area
Is it fair to say that this is a
difficult time period to model due to availability - are
most manufacturers more focused on the present?
Thank you for any help that can be
provided, either reading material, guidance, or commercial
products.
Take
care-BrightOrange










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Ray Breyer
 

Also keep in mind that 1915-1925 is a HUGE swath of time to model, especially that specific time span, which may well have seen the greatest technological changes in railroading history. 1915 still belonged to the "golden age", while 1925 was well on the way to being recognizable as "modern", or at least "transitional" railroading.

A very basic problem would be paint schemes: 1915 still had pre-1910 schemes running around, while those would have all been long gone in 1925. Heralds on freight cars in general were absent from most cars in the mid-1920s.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL

________________________________
From: "Benjamin Hom b.hom@att.net [STMFC]" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
To: "STMFC@yahoogroups.com" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Upstate New York, HO rolling stock for 1920 time frame


"BrightOrange" (who I'm not sure is a real person) asked:
"I am attempting to model, in HO scale, the New York Central in upstate New York in the World War I timeframe, let's say 1915 to 1925. Rather than focus on a single specific year I am willing to be flexible, and those years are not set in stone.

I am finding it difficult to determine exactly what rolling stock would be appropriate and where to find it."

Recommend you review these posts from Eric Hansmann's blog:
http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/a-guide-to-1920s-era-ho-scale-plastic-freight-cars/
http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/a-quick-guide-to-westerfield-models-for-a-1920s-model-railroad/

Ben Hom


Cyril Durrenberger
 

Ray points out many issues. The equipment used on the railroads changed radically during this time period. Larger locomotives, steel passenger cars became the norm and there were major modifications in size and the construction of freight cars with the movement to the use of more steel for the car body design. The lettering schemes on almost all railroads were significantly modified during this time period. Standards were implemented for reporting marks and dimensional data during this time period, but there was a good deal of modification of these in this period. For example the SP lines dropped the use of the large medallion in 1909 and used only the reporting marks and car number with a changed set of dimensional data. Then in about 1917 they started using a much smaller medallion. During this time period they dropped the use of the & where appropriate and made other modifications to the dimensional data and other lettering. So the fleet of
equipment appropriate for 1915 would be different from that in 1919 (USRA impact) and by 1925 it would look very different.

Because of the 1911 safety standards, the safety equipment on existing cars was modified. There were delays in implementing these and most of the changes to existing equipment were made during this time period. However, many railroads scrapped older cars instead of applying the new safety equipment. So lots of old cars disappeared during this time period.

I recommend that you narrow your time period and identify the railroad you wish to follow. Then you can do the research needed to understand what models to make.

Cyril Durrenberger


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On Wed, 5/20/15, Ray Breyer rtbsvrr69@yahoo.com [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [STMFC] Upstate New York, HO rolling stock for 1920 time frame
To: "STMFC@yahoogroups.com" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015, 12:34 PM


 









Also keep in mind that 1915-1925 is a HUGE swath of
time to model, especially that specific time span, which may
well have seen the greatest technological changes in
railroading history. 1915 still belonged to the "golden
age", while 1925 was well on the way to being
recognizable as "modern", or at least
"transitional" railroading.



A very basic problem would be paint schemes: 1915 still had
pre-1910 schemes running around, while those would have all
been long gone in 1925. Heralds on freight cars in general
were absent from most cars in the mid-1920s.



Ray Breyer

Elgin, IL



>________________________________

> From: "Benjamin Hom b.hom@att.net [STMFC]"
<STMFC@yahoogroups.com>

>To: "STMFC@yahoogroups.com"
<STMFC@yahoogroups.com>

>Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:13 AM

>Subject: Re: [STMFC] Upstate New York, HO rolling stock
for 1920 time frame

>

>

>"BrightOrange" (who I'm not sure is a real
person) asked:

>"I am attempting to model, in HO scale, the New
York Central in upstate New York in the World War I
timeframe, let's say 1915 to 1925. Rather than focus on
a single specific year I am willing to be flexible, and
those years are not set in stone.

>

>I am finding it difficult to determine exactly what
rolling stock would be appropriate and where to find
it."

>

>Recommend you review these posts from Eric
Hansmann's blog:

>http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/a-guide-to-1920s-era-ho-scale-plastic-freight-cars/

>http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/a-quick-guide-to-westerfield-models-for-a-1920s-model-railroad/

>

>Ben Hom











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Eric Hansmann
 

Bright Orange (or Alex maybe – based on the email address?),

 

Others have posted a couple of page links on my blog that can be help guide someone to develop a freight car fleet for the 1920s. As Cyril and Ray have noted, there is a noticeable difference between modeling 1915 and 1925. By 1925, the steel box car was also taking hold on US railroads as the NYC had installed a few thousand of their USRA steel design box cars. The PRR and B&O had installed the early batches of their X29 and M-26 box cars, which had design similarities. The USRA assigned box cars, hoppers, and gondolas were among the mix and some clones of these designs were being installed on several lines. None of these would be in the mix for 1915.

 

Through the 1920s there were thousands of double-sheathed, 36-foot, box and ventilated cars on the rails. A good many of these cars had steel underframes and stamped metal end hardware, but many had truss rods and wood ends, too. The Southern added thousands of their signature SU box cars in the 1922-28 period. I model 1926, mainly because I found several interesting timeline data points for the region and railroads of my interest.

 

There are many folks here who can help with questions and past messages can be searched at the STMFC YahooGroups home page to find previous conversations. There is a small group of pre-Depression Era modelers who lurk here and make an occasional post. Someone suggested the 1914-1941 YahooGroup, which may not be as chatty as this bunch but it is focused on an earlier era. Feel free to contact me off list with any queries, too.

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

my blog: http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/

 

 

 

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 7:49 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Upstate New York, HO rolling stock for 1920 time frame

 



Hi All,

I am attempting to model, in HO scale, the New York Central in upstate New York in the World War I timeframe, let's say 1915 to 1925. Rather than focus on a single specific year I am willing to be flexible, and those years are not set in stone.

I am finding it difficult to determine exactly what rolling stock would be appropriate and where to find it.

For example, I assume that Merchant's Despatch (MDT) 34' truss-rod reefers would be appropriate, but I don't know that they are commercially available. I've been scouring around without much luck!

I'm interested in purchasing rolling stock, either ready to run or kits, if they exist. If anyone can point me to some specific items it would be appreciated. I'm interested in road names that would be found in my geographical area but some foreign road names would be acceptable as well. Billboard style reefers are welcome also, and I've noticed there's no shortage of them on the market, but I'd prefer they be somewhat prototypically correct (within reason) for my time period and area

Is it fair to say that this is a difficult time period to model due to availability - are most manufacturers more focused on the present?

Thank you for any help that can be provided, either reading material, guidance, or commercial products.

Take care

-BrightOrange

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