[EXTERNAL] Re: General tank car discussion (UNCLASSIFIED)
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Gatwood, Elden J SAD
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Caveats: NONE Thanks, Dave! -----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 9:12 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: [EXTERNAL] [STMFC] Re: General tank car discussion Speaking of tank car, I found this link to what appear to be builders photos of ACF late 30s tank cars. https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/sets/72157649155982802 <https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/sets/72157649155982802> If this link has been posted before, my apologies for the duplication. cheers Dave North Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE |
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water.kresse@...
Hi folks,
I have a yard drawing of the East Lexington, Virginia, yard calling out platforms with swing pipes for pumping out tank cars of home heating oil to tanks on concrete piers. Did they drop a pump into the car through the dome and hook up it up to electricity pump out the oil? . . . or use a remote pump which initially pulled a vacuum to get it started. This would have in the era between the WW's and after WW2. I suspect these tanks would be used to fill up tank-trucks to deliver the oil to home and business tanks? Only guessing.
Many thanks,
Al Kresse
From: "Elden SAW' elden.j.gatwood@... 'Gatwood [STMFC]" To: STMFC@... Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 9:16:40 AM Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] [STMFC] Re: General tank car discussion (UNCLASSIFIED) Classification: UNCLASSIFIED |
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destorzek@...
---In STMFC@..., <water.kresse@...> wrote : Hi folks, I have a yard drawing of the East Lexington, Virginia, yard calling out platforms with swing pipes for pumping out tank cars of home heating oil to tanks on concrete piers. Did they drop a pump into the car through the dome and hook up it up to electricity pump out the oil? . . . ========= No. ========= or use a remote pump which initially pulled a vacuum to get it started. ========= Yes ========= This would have in the era between the WW's and after WW2. I suspect these tanks would be used to fill up tank-trucks to deliver the oil to home and business tanks? ========= Yes. Dennis Storzek |
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water.kresse@...
Thanks! Al
From: "destorzek@... [STMFC]" To: STMFC@... Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 10:08:59 AM Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] [STMFC] Re: General tank car discussion (UNCLASSIFIED)
Hi folks,
I have a yard drawing of the East Lexington, Virginia, yard calling out platforms with swing pipes for pumping out tank cars of home heating oil to tanks on concrete piers. Did they drop a pump into the car through the dome and hook up it up to electricity pump out the oil? . . . ========= No. ========= or use a remote pump which initially pulled a vacuum to get it started. ========= Yes ========= This would have in the era between the WW's and after WW2. I suspect these tanks would be used to fill up tank-trucks to deliver the oil to home and business tanks? ========= Yes. |
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destorzek@...
A bit more elaboration... Unloading through the dome was considered safer than using the bottom outlet. If something happened and the hose or coupling sprung a leak, there was the potential for the entire contents of the car to spill. Not so much environmental concerns in those days, but they also handled gasoline the same way, and 6-10 thousand gallons of gasoline on the ground, flowing away in the drainage ditches made the potential for one heck of a fire. Unloading through the dome, the worst that would likely happen is the pump stopped.
Since many of the commodities handled through a bulk oil dealer were so flammable, they did not use portable electric equipment. Each installation would typically have a small metal building that housed a pump with an explosion proof electric motor, with manifolds arranged so the pump could draw on the various unloading tubes and pump into one of the multiple tanks. Dennis Storzek |
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water.kresse@...
Dennis,
So the local gas stations could get its gasoline and the farmers their diesel for their tractors the same way. The East Lexington Yard, two miles from Lexington, had four oil or refinery companies with storage tanks located next the yard into the late-1960s. It seems the line at its end survived on shipping oil for the local residents and beer for the students.
I will look for pumping sheds on the few small AFE drawings I have of the yard. It seems like somebody was always running a pipe under its four or five tracks.
All that remains today are those concrete piers for those long gone horizontal steel tanks. There might be Brown Field Haz Met studies out there showing more detail.
Al Kresse
From: "destorzek@... [STMFC]" To: STMFC@... Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 10:47:45 AM Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] [STMFC] Re: General tank car discussion (UNCLASSIFIED) A bit more elaboration... Unloading through the dome was considered safer than using the bottom outlet. If something happened and the hose or coupling sprung a leak, there was the potential for the entire contents of the car to spill. Not so much environmental concerns in those days, but they also handled gasoline the same way, and 6-10 thousand gallons of gasoline on the ground, flowing away in the drainage ditches made the potential for one heck of a fire. Unloading through the dome, the worst that would likely happen is the pump stopped. |
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destorzek@...
---In STMFC@..., <water.kresse@...> wrote : I will look for pumping sheds on the few small AFE drawings I have of the yard. It seems like somebody was always running a pipe under its four or five tracks. All that remains today are those concrete piers for those long gone horizontal steel tanks. There might be Brown Field Haz Met studies out there showing more detail. Al Kresse ========= A brief Google search turned up this photo study: Old Gulf Bulk Oil Dealer In Dilley Texas
I guess in Texas you don't even need a building; note the transfer pump ou in the open with a small weather enclosure over the motor. Dennis Storzek |
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Al remember farmers did not switch to diesel engines in tractors in large numbers until the very late 50’s or even mid 60’s. Ie after the time of the STMFC list. The first farm tractors ran on distillate or kerosene. Kerosene, alcohol, and gasoline were the main choices in the 30’s, most tractors would run on all three, but often were equipped with a small tank for gasoline to get the tractor started, then a large tank for whatever fuel was readily available or cheapest. Some farmers even made their own fuel, ethanol is not a new phenomenon. And remember few farmers had tractors until after WWII. They couldn’t purchase them during the war.
Tractor loads are always an interesting subject for flatcars. And farmers quickly moved to tractors after WWII, putting old Dobbin out to pasture for the last time.
Doug Harding |
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destorzek@...
---In STMFC@..., <doug.harding@...> wrote : Some farmers even made their own fuel, ethanol is not a new phenomenon. =========== TRACTOR fuel? I always thought those corn squeezin's was for medicinal purposes! Dennis Storzek |
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And at least one fuel dealer had the tanks a good hundred yards from the unloading facility next to the tracks. Maybe just in case a fire did occur at the rack, it would keep that fire away from the storage area?
Steve Lucas. |
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