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Modeling Reading HT class 2 bay hoppers
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Bruce
Hi everyone.
I have been watching but not contributing to this group for a while. Recently I started to build an HO scale Reading HTs war emergency hopper. I could use some help with some details I am not sure about. Perhaps someone out there could give me some input. I am not sure how to route the train line under the car. Did it run down the center line or route out along the lower edge of the car body for all of HT class 2 bay hoppers (HTo, HTp, HTr, and HTs). Photo details of the hopper door locks is sketchy being under the car in the shadows. Did the two adjacent doors get joined or were they independent on the HTs class? thank you, Bruce Hayes |
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Bruce,
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Looking at views of both sides of the HTs hopper, I cannot see the train line on either side, so it looks likely that it followed the center sill.
The online builder’s photo is not clear about the hopper doors being joined.
This photo seems to indicate that the hoppers were not joined:
http://www.readingmodeler.com/images/rollingstock/hopper/photo/rdghts66180.jpg Regards Bruce
Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
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rwitt_2000
With the sliding center sills of the Duryea underframe it not sure where the train line exactly ran as it couldn't be down the middle with all the springs etc.
F&C does this prototype in resin, but I don't have this kit so I can't look at the instructions to see what they suggest. 6750.html
Many someone who has the kit or built it could add a comment. Regards, Bob Witt |
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Jack Mullen
The two photos Bruce linked show two different latch mechanisms. The online builder’s photo is not clear about the hopper doors being joined. While it's very dark under the car, you can see the latches on the side of the hopper at the outer edge of the door, apparently Wine door latches. Two latches, one on either side of the car, secure a pair of doors which are connected with (typically) a steel angle or channel. This photo seems to indicate that the hoppers were not joined: Yes indeed. This car has individually latched doors, with what appear to be Enterprise unit latches. The latch is more or less at the center of the door. . Jack Mullen |
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I have two photos, both of the LEFT side of the HTs. No trainline. But in
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photos of other hoppers, it seems like the most popular place to run the trainline was down the RIGHT side of the car. They had Wine door locks and as far as I know those are independent -- but I could be wrong ! :-) Tim O'Connor I have been watching but not contributing to this group for a while. Recently I started to build an HO scale Reading HTs war emergency hopper. I could use some help with some details I am not sure about. Perhaps someone out there could give me some input. |
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That's interesting. The Gerstley 1949 photo shows the Wine door locks mounted on the side of the outlet bays. Maybe they were relocated during the rehab ? Tim O' This photo seems to indicate that the hoppers were not joined: |
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I am a bit perplexed. There is obviously something I don't know. My understanding of the Duryea frame is that it protects cargo by reducing shocks from slack running in and out on the train. What cargo would be carried in a hopper car that needs that protection? Would not the Duryea frame add weight and reduce the capacity of the hopper? Further, the F&C link indicates this was a war emergency design. Does war emergency not indicate minimum use of steel for the war effort? If so, again, why Duryea with it's extra weight? One confused geezer.. Chuck Peck in FL On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 5:28 PM, rwitt_2000@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
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Benjamin Hom
Bob Witt wrote: "F&C does this prototype in resin, but I don't have this kit so I can't look at the instructions to see what they suggest." The quality of Steve Funaro's kits are far beyond that of when he first started over 30 years ago, but referring anyone to a Fuanro kit's instructions for prototype information, especially an older kit (this kit debuted c. 1987) is questionable advice. Ben Hom |
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al_brown03
There are several photos of the HTs class in RP CYC 29 (pp 67-69), and also one in the Harrisburg book (p 168). None shows a train pipe along either side sill. Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla. |
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Benjamin Hom
Chuck Peck wrote: "I am a bit perplexed. There is obviously something I don't know. My understanding of the Duryea frame is that it protects cargo by reducing shocks from slack running in and out on the train. What cargo would be carried in a hopper car that needs that protection? Would not the Duryea frame add weight and reduce the capacity of the hopper? Further, the F&C link indicates this was a war emergency design. Does war emergency not indicate minimum use of steel for the war effort? If so, again, why Duryea with it's extra weight?" We've discussed this ad nauseum, and this seems to come up as often as old and equally unfunny "helium cars weigh lighter loaded" joke. The value of the Duryea cushion underframe for hoppers wasn't to prevent damage to cargo, but to improve train handling. Roads that invested heavily in Duryea cushion underframes for hoppers included the RDG, B&O, and WM. Ben Hom |
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Tony Thompson
Ben Hom wrote:
Well said about the Duryea, Ben. On a side issue, I want to point out that the helium joke is not only old and unfunny, but inaccurate. Helium was shipped at 3000 psi pressure or more, at which pressure the tank contents are considerably heavier than the same volume of ambient air. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Jack Mullen
Tim O'Connor said:
That's interesting. The Gerstley 1949 photo shows the Wine door locks mounted on the side of the outlet bays. Maybe they were relocated during the rehab ? I'm not sure what the Gerstley 1949 photo is, but the bldr photo of 67300 shows Wine locks. The in-service photo of 66180 shows Enterprise. The diagram sheet for HTs cars series 67359-67999 and 66000-66999 reproduced in RPC29, p67 has the notation; "Door fixtures - Wine & Enterprise" No indication of which cars had what, but the only photos I've noticed with Wine locks wereof cars numbered 673xx. Photos I've found of 66ooos and higher 67000s have Enterprise. Again, Wine locks have the left and right door connected, Enterprise locks have doors operating individually. Jack Mullen |
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My bad. It's a Randy Anderson collection photo, not a Gerstley.
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