National B-1 trucks
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George Courtney
Tonight I found 4 pari of National B=1 trucks I didn't know I had. I'm modeling 1953. My memory says the N&W and PRR used these under 52' gons. Anyone suggest another two good prospects for these trucks as of 1953? And if the N&W and PRR gons are incorrect, I welcomed being better informed. Thanks, George Courtney
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SUVCWORR@...
George,
PRR used the following National trucks based on a PRR typed list of truck classes and classes of cars to which applies. You can find the list at http://prr.railfan.net/freight/PRRFreightCarTrucks.html National (no designation with plank) X29, X37, X37a National (no designation plankless) X29, X37, X37a National A-1 G26, G30 National B-1 X41, X41b National C-1 G32, G33, G37, X43a Rich Orr
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John Barry
From: SUVCWORR@... [STMFC] ; To: ; Subject: Re: [STMFC] National B-1 trucks Sent: Tue, Aug 18, 2015 1:51:01 AM
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Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
George,
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WP GB gondolas 6501-6600 built in 1945 had B-1 trucks. Proto 2000 offered this car, though B-1 trucks were not included in the early kits. I don't know about later runs. Yours Aye, Garth Groff
On 8/17/15 9:34 PM, gsc3@...
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Scott H. Haycock
Some of the GN Plywood sheathed boxcars used them. See RPC Vol. 19 Scott Haycock George,
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Gene Green <genegreen1942@...>
From National Malleable and Steel Castings Company ads the following (listed below) have been identified. You can no doubt fill in the number series on your own. 1938 - National Type B which is similar in appearance to B-1 IC reefer 50200 T&P 2-bay offset-side hoppper 9004 UP tank car 69005 CV double-sheathed box car 83454 CP steel box car 225305 KCS single-sheathed, double-door auto box car 20600 Soo Line ballast hopper 9701 PRR box car 70311 W&LE 2-bay offset-side hoppper 61599 Erie steel box car 78476 CB&Q straight-side, 2-bay hopper 192000 D&H single-sheathed box car but can't read number, maybe 17??? PFE reefer 72319 WP ballast hopper 10463 MRX Morrell's Pride wood-side reefer 5330 DM&IR ore car 24992 PTLX 3-compartment tank car 7819 (Tangent model ?) D&H hopper type thingy 4302 ACL covered hopper 9259 T&P steel box car 40199 HOKX Hooker tank car 215 T&NO gondola (special purpose?) 43?15 PRR covered hopper 254514 Interstate straight-side, 2-bay hopper 5191 N&W 2-bay hopper 69517 SLRX St Louis Refrigerator 4833 LCIX Liquid Carbonic 1007 ITC drop-bottom, composite gondola 12018 1941 National Type B trucks ACL steel auto box car 13299 ATSF steel box car 140775 blt 4-40 1942 National Type B-1 trucks introduced SFRD reefer 36069 blt 5-40 (pictured in 1942 ad so B or B-1?) Erie double-door box car built 1-42 The B-1 was advertised in 1945. The C-1 was advertised in 1950 but my data includes nothing for 1946 through 1949 inclusive so I don't know the exact change date. Gene Green
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genegreen1942@...
WOW! Good ol' Yahoo really messed up my nice neat column of freight cars. Here's a second try. If this doesn't work, I give up. From National Malleable and Steel Castings Company ads I have identified the following listed below. You can no doubt fill in the number series on your own. IC reefer 50200 T&P 2-bay offset-side hoppper 9004 UP tank car 69005 CV double-sheathed box car 83454 CP steel box car 225305 KCS single-sheathed, double-door auto box car 20600 Soo Line ballast hopper 9701 PRR box car 70311 W&LE 2-bay offset-side hoppper 61599 Erie steel box car 78476 CB&Q straight-side, 2-bay hopper 192000 D&H single-sheathed box car but can't read number, maybe 17??? PFE reefer 72319 WP ballast hopper 10463 MRX Morrell's Pride wood-side reefer 5330 DM&IR ore car 24992 PTLX 3-compartment tank car 7819 (Tangent model ?) D&H hopper type thingy 4302 ACL covered hopper 9259 T&P steel box car 40199 HOKX Hooker tank car 215 T&NO gondola (special purpose?) 43?15 PRR covered hopper 254514 Interstate straight-side, 2-bay hopper 5191 N&W 2-bay hopper 69517 SLRX St Louis Refrigerator 4833 LCIX Liquid Carbonic 1007 ITC drop-bottom, composite gondola 12018 1941 National Type B trucks ACL steel auto box car 13299 ATSF steel box car 140775 blt 4-40 1942 National Type B-1 trucks introduced SFRD reefer 36069 blt 5-40 (pictured in 1942 ad so B or B-1?) Erie double-door box car built 1-42 The B-1 was advertised in 1945. The C-1 was advertised in 1950 but my data includes nothing for 1946 through 1949 inclusive so I don't know the exact change date. Gene Green
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brianleppert@att.net
I've just added a file, showing a National ad from the Aug. 30, 1941 Railway Age. It shows both the Type B and B-1 trucks.
Brian Leppert Tahoe Model Works Carson City, NV
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Harry Bilger
Can someone who has access to this information regarding GN boxcars with National B-1trucks share some car numbers with me if they are available, please?
Thanks in advance. Harry Bilger Denton, Texas ----------------------- Re: National B-1 trucksTue Aug 18, 2015 9:57 am (PDT) . Posted by:"Scott H. Haycock" haycockscottSome of the GN Plywood sheathed boxcars used them. See RPC Vol. 19 Scott Haycock
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Robert Heninger
Harry, Here are the trucks used on the earliest series of GN plywood cars built 1944-45 at the GN's St. Cloud shops: 44025-44074 and 44950- 44999 National B-1, 44075- 44899 ASF A-3, 44900-44949 Barber Stabilized S-2 Regards, Bob Heninger Minot, ND
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North Model Railroad Supplies <nmrs@...>
I’m currently working on some of my Atlas Hart Selective Ballast Hoppers in Santa Fe livery and I noted that the various classes came equipped with either National B-1 or ASF Ride Control trucks. Cheers Dave North
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The National B type truck was introduced in 1931. – “It was designed to eliminate the spring plank, save weight and provide flexibility between the bolster and side frames”. This information came from one of the Car Builders Cyclopedia. It’s not in volume 13 (1931) Volume 14 (1937) has some illustrations of this truck. I don’t remember where I copied it from. Bob Karigs’ book “Coal Cars - The Frist Three Hundred Years” also covers this truck and many others.
If anyone is interested in more information about National B-1 trucks, please contact me off this list. Sincerely, Rich Yoder From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 5:13 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: [STMFC] Re: National B-1 trucks From National Malleable and Steel Castings Company ads the following (listed below) have been identified. You can no doubt fill in the number series on your own. 1938 - National Type B which is similar in appearance to B-1 IC reefer 50200 T&P 2-bay offset-side hoppper 9004 UP tank car 69005 CV double-sheathed box car 83454 CP steel box car 225305 KCS single-sheathed, double-door auto box car 20600 Soo Line ballast hopper 9701 PRR box car 70311 W&LE 2-bay offset-side hoppper 61599 Erie steel box car 78476 CB&Q straight-side, 2-bay hopper 192000 D&H single-sheathed box car but can't read number, maybe 17??? PFE reefer 72319 WP ballast hopper 10463 MRX Morrell's Pride wood-side reefer 5330 DM&IR ore car 24992 PTLX 3-compartment tank car 7819 (Tangent model ?) D&H hopper type thingy 4302 ACL covered hopper 9259 T&P steel box car 40199 HOKX Hooker tank car 215 T&NO gondola (special purpose?) 43?15 PRR covered hopper 254514 Interstate straight-side, 2-bay hopper 5191 N&W 2-bay hopper 69517 SLRX St Louis Refrigerator 4833 LCIX Liquid Carbonic 1007 ITC drop-bottom, composite gondola 12018 1941 National Type B trucks ACL steel auto box car 13299 ATSF steel box car 140775 blt 4-40 1942 National Type B-1 trucks introduced SFRD reefer 36069 blt 5-40 (pictured in 1942 ad so B or B-1?) Erie double-door box car built 1-42 The B-1 was advertised in 1945. The C-1 was advertised in 1950 but my data includes nothing for 1946 through 1949 inclusive so I don't know the exact change date. Gene Green
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