What Kind Of Wheels Are These?
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thecitrusbelt@...
This is a link to a Leslie Jones image of a train wreck at Atlantic, MA. The date range for the image is a very broad 1917 to 1934.
https://www.digitalcommonwealth.org/search/commonwealth:6682x694w
What caught my eye were the wheels. They appear to be riveted.
Can anyone provide some background on these wheels?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
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Jack Burgess <jack@...>
Could these be “paper wheels”….?
Jack Burgess From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 6:21 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] What Kind Of Wheels Are These? This is a link to a Leslie Jones image of a train wreck at Atlantic, MA. The date range for the image is a very broad 1917 to 1934. <https://www.digitalcommonwealth.org/search/commonwealth:6682x694w> https://www.digitalcommonwealth.org/search/commonwealth:6682x694w What caught my eye were the wheels. They appear to be riveted. Can anyone provide some background on these wheels? Thanks. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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mwbauers
Yes !!
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They look exactly like them ! Best to ya, Mike Bauers Milwaukee, Wi
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mwbauers
Actually, they are bolted together with restraining side plates…. not riveted.
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Best to ya, Mike Bauers Milwaukee, Wi
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al_brown03
The engine is 2-8-4 #4005, which was built in 1928-'29 (per Drury, "Guide to North American Steam Locomotives", revised edition): so the picture can be dated to 1928-34. Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla. |
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"Paper" wheels were in use for at least 25 years, and performed well. There seems to be differences of opinion on the performance of "paper" wheels (really, composite wheels)... but one thing everyone agrees on, they ride more quietly and transmit less vibration. I found a technical article online that was a study of composite railroad wheels conducted in 1991 -- the study found that the web thickness has to be double that of steel to have the same lateral strength but otherwise they work fine. http://www.uh.edu/engines/epi758.htm http://www.midcontinent.org/rollingstock/dictionary/paperwheels.htm I'm sure our resident physicist and metallurgist Tony T could speak to the virtues of steel vs composites. :-) Tim O'Connor This is a link to a Leslie Jones image of a train wreck at Atlantic, MA. The date range for the image is a very broad 1917 to 1934. |
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John
Composite wheels, yes. Paper wheels, quite possibly but not necessarily. The Allen paper wheel was perhaps the best known composite wheel and was often used under passenger cars because of its superior ride, but it wasn't the only composite wheel available in the early 20th century. The Allen wheel is shown in the 1906 Car Builders Dictionary and so is the Paige Plate Wheel, a steel/cast iron composite. The bolt pattern on the wheels in this photo is a closer match for that on the Paige wheel (fig. 5044) than for the Allen wheel. John Bopp Farmington Hills, MI On Dec 18, 2015, at 10:19 PM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
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Jack Mullen
Al, the photos of B&M 4005 on its side seem to be a different wreck, which the descriptive info identifies as at Somerville, MA 6-25,1928.
According to the title, the photo of the passenger train wreck with a set of paper wheels in the foreground is at Atlantic MA, which is on the New Haven . Assuming the location is correct, I checked ICC reports for NYNH&H accidents, finding a rear collision on Aug 4, 1915 that seems to fit what's seen in the photo. Here's a link to the ICC report. The car on its side looks like a baggage car or combine (there's a sill step toward the middle of the side sill). The ICC report says the last car of the first train, a combine, was turned on its side. As I recall our Steamed Leader declared that head-end cars are honorary freight cars, so maybe this is -barely- on topic. Jack Mullen
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al_brown03
Two different wrecks -- yipe -- confusion. AL B. |
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thecitrusbelt@...
More composite wheels in this Library of Congress photo:
http://www.loc.gov/resource/ggbain.14275/
Caption: Photograph shows people looking at wrecked railroad cars after a railroad accident in which the White Mountain Express crashed through two cars of the Bar Harbor Express, north of New Haven, Connecticut on Sept. 2, 1913.
Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA |
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