[EXTERNAL] Gondolas in Scrap tin service


Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Brad;

PRR had scrap gons in subclass G22C used out of Baltimore, IIRC, for use taking shavings to scrap users. They had side extensions made of wood, with interior vertical steel channels to hold the whole thing together. Grabs were added to reach full height, and the brake gear extended and platform raised.

Elden Gatwood

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Fellas

I am seeking info on what other eastern roads had scrap tin gondolas with side extensions. I have heard that W&LE may have, but would appreciate clarification and confirmation with car data if possible. I have images of such car for the SP out west....

Thank you,
Brad Andonian


Eric Hansmann
 

An O scale Pennsy GS with side extensions was displayed at the 2013 RPM-East by George Smozski. Here's a link to the model image.

http://www.pbase.com/ehansmann/image/149407023



IIRC, there were a few GS gons outfitted with these slatted extensions for scrap tin loading at the Heinz factory.

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX



On October 31, 2016 at 7:08 AM "'Gatwood, Elden SAW' elden.j.gatwood@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:


Brad;

PRR had scrap gons in subclass G22C used out of Baltimore, IIRC, for use taking shavings to scrap users. They had side extensions made of wood, with interior vertical steel channels to hold the whole thing together. Grabs were added to reach full height, and the brake gear extended and platform raised.

Elden Gatwood

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Fellas

I am seeking info on what other eastern roads had scrap tin gondolas with side extensions. I have heard that W&LE may have, but would appreciate clarification and confirmation with car data if possible. I have images of such car for the SP out west....

Thank you,
Brad Andonian





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Brad Andonian
 

Fellas,

I am aware of the prr gs series, I am seeking clarification of other roads specifically whether NKP or W&LE had them.

Thanks,

On Monday, October 31, 2016, 7:16 AM, Eric Hansmann eric@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

An O scale Pennsy GS with side extensions was displayed at the 2013 RPM-East by George Smozski. Here's a link to the model image.

http://www.pbase.com/ehansmann/image/149407023



IIRC, there were a few GS gons outfitted with these slatted extensions for scrap tin loading at the Heinz factory.

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX



On October 31, 2016 at 7:08 AM "'Gatwood, Elden SAW' elden.j.gatwood@... [STMFC]" wrote:


Brad;

PRR had scrap gons in subclass G22C used out of Baltimore, IIRC, for use taking shavings to scrap users. They had side extensions made of wood, with interior vertical steel channels to hold the whole thing together. Grabs were added to reach full height, and the brake gear extended and platform raised.

Elden Gatwood

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Fellas

I am seeking info on what other eastern roads had scrap tin gondolas with side extensions. I have heard that W&LE may have, but would appreciate clarification and confirmation with car data if possible. I have images of such car for the SP out west....

Thank you,
Brad Andonian





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mwbauers
 

I don’t think this type of modded car was used for scrap steel turnings. Nor tin coated scrap sheets and bits.

Some years ago, where I worked was using those big Virginian coal gondolas for hauling shop steel chips and shavings a few miles to the scrap center. You know those very large gondolas with the three axle trucks….

One day I was driving near the scrap yard and several hundreds of feet away from it, was one of those scrap loaded gon’s with the back broken on it and the middle of the car sitting on the rails. [envision the chore of emptying that car where it was, then cutting the car up to get rid of it, and then the final clean up of all of the remaining metal chips on the ROW….]

Since then, steel scraps have gone out of the complex in relatively smaller truck hauled containers that are about the size of a small school bus.

I expect the tin scrap gon’s to be loaded with scrap tin boxes and housings and not denser tin sheet filling up the interior. The cars would break up from loads that completely filled the cars if it was mostly piles of steel sheets or scrap cuttings.

Best to ya,
Mike Bauers
Milwaukee, Wi

On Oct 31, 2016, at 8:08 AM, 'Gatwood, Elden  wrote:

Brad; 

PRR had scrap gons in subclass G22C used out of Baltimore, IIRC, for use taking shavings to scrap users. They had side extensions made of wood, with interior vertical steel channels to hold the whole thing together. Grabs were added to reach full height, and the brake gear extended and platform raised. 

Elden Gatwood 


Ray Breyer
 

Hi Brad, 

The Wheeling did NOT. The only extended height 'gondolas' they ever had were a few 1900-series flat cars converted to coke service with tall sides added. Those car, in the 3000-3002 series, only lasted between 1933 and 1936. The road may have occasionally added wood extensions to a car on an as-needed basis, but those conversions never show up in their ORER listings.
 
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL



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Fellas,

I am aware of the prr gs series, I am seeking clarification of other roads specifically whether NKP or W&LE had them.

Thanks,
Brad


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On Monday, October 31, 2016, 7:16 AM, Eric Hansmann eric@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
An O scale Pennsy GS with side extensions was displayed at the 2013 RPM-East by George Smozski. Here's a link to the model image.


IIRC, there were a few GS gons outfitted with these slatted extensions for scrap tin loading at the Heinz factory.
Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX


On October 31, 2016 at 7:08 AM "'Gatwood, Elden SAW' elden.j.gatwood@... [STMFC]" wrote:


Brad;

PRR had scrap gons in subclass G22C used out of Baltimore, IIRC, for use taking shavings to scrap users. They had side extensions made of wood, with interior vertical steel channels to hold the whole thing together. Grabs were added to reach full height, and the brake gear extended and platform raised.

Elden Gatwood

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Fellas

I am seeking info on what other eastern roads had scrap tin gondolas with side extensions. I have heard that W&LE may have, but would appreciate clarification and confirmation with car data if possible. I have images of such car for the SP out west....

Thank you,
Brad Andonian





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Brad Andonian
 

Ray

Thank you!
Brad andonian




On Monday, October 31, 2016, 8:00 AM, Ray Breyer rtbsvrr69@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Hi Brad, 

The Wheeling did NOT. The only extended height 'gondolas' they ever had were a few 1900-series flat cars converted to coke service with tall sides added. Those car, in the 3000-3002 series, only lasted between 1933 and 1936. The road may have occasionally added wood extensions to a car on an as-needed basis, but those conversions never show up in their ORER listings.
 
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL



From: "Brad Andonian cereshill@... [STMFC]"
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Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] [STMFC] Gondolas in Scrap tin service



Fellas,

I am aware of the prr gs series, I am seeking clarification of other roads specifically whether NKP or W&LE had them.

Thanks,
Brad


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Monday, October 31, 2016, 7:16 AM, Eric Hansmann eric@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
An O scale Pennsy GS with side extensions was displayed at the 2013 RPM-East by George Smozski. Here's a link to the model image.


IIRC, there were a few GS gons outfitted with these slatted extensions for scrap tin loading at the Heinz factory.
Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX


On October 31, 2016 at 7:08 AM "'Gatwood, Elden SAW' elden.j.gatwood@... [STMFC]" wrote:


Brad;

PRR had scrap gons in subclass G22C used out of Baltimore, IIRC, for use taking shavings to scrap users. They had side extensions made of wood, with interior vertical steel channels to hold the whole thing together. Grabs were added to reach full height, and the brake gear extended and platform raised.

Elden Gatwood

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Fellas

I am seeking info on what other eastern roads had scrap tin gondolas with side extensions. I have heard that W&LE may have, but would appreciate clarification and confirmation with car data if possible. I have images of such car for the SP out west....

Thank you,
Brad Andonian





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vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Mike,
 
do you are able to precise "some years ago" a little bit? If I am not wrong, some of these "Battleships" were in use until the beginning 1980s at the Northwestern Steel & Wire - was it there and then what you have seen? You may very well have seen the very last of them! To me, it is so unfortunate that none of these very interesting freight cars has been saved despite their long lives (let alone a whole train for photo excursions... ;-))
 
Best Regards
 
Johannes
 
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I don’t think this type of modded car was used for scrap steel turnings. Nor tin coated scrap sheets and bits.

 
Some years ago, where I worked was using those big Virginian coal gondolas for hauling shop steel chips and shavings a few miles to the scrap center. You know those very large gondolas with the three axle trucks….
 
One day I was driving near the scrap yard and several hundreds of feet away from it, was one of those scrap loaded gon’s with the back broken on it and the middle of the car sitting on the rails. [envision the chore of emptying that car where it was, then cutting the car up to get rid of it, and then the final clean up of all of the remaining metal chips on the ROW….]
 
Since then, steel scraps have gone out of the complex in relatively smaller truck hauled containers that are about the size of a small school bus.
 
I expect the tin scrap gon’s to be loaded with scrap tin boxes and housings and not denser tin sheet filling up the interior. The cars would break up from loads that completely filled the cars if it was mostly piles of steel sheets or scrap cuttings.
 
Best to ya,
Mike Bauers
Milwaukee, Wi
 

On Oct 31, 2016, at 8:08 AM, 'Gatwood, Elden  wrote:
 
Brad; 

PRR had scrap gons in subclass G22C used out of Baltimore, IIRC, for use taking shavings to scrap users. They had side extensions made of wood, with interior vertical steel channels to hold the whole thing together. Grabs were added to reach full height, and the brake gear extended and platform raised. 

Elden Gatwood 

 


mwbauers
 

Not there.

This was just a block away from the Milwaukee Ball Park.

I am uncertain of the date... Might be as late as 1990.

I can hunt up my service record and better pin down the year.


Mike Bauers

On Nov 1, 2016, at 8:23 AM, "j.markwart@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

Hello Mike,

do you are able to precise "some years ago" a little bit? If I am not wrong, some of these "Battleships" were in use until the beginning 1980s at the Northwestern Steel & Wire - was it there and then what you have seen?