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2 bay hopper
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Clark Propst
I was gifted three 2 bay hoppers last night. An Accurail USRA, and Athearn,
and something else? It’s longer than the Athearn with 9 outside posts, the
center beam appears to have a screw in the center. Train Miniature perhaps? The
thing is lettered V&O, does it have a prototype?
Thanks, even though I didn’t give much to go on...
Clark
Propst Mason City Iowa |
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ed_mines
assuming it's plastic, it sounds like a Train Miniature. I think it was based on a Pullman Standard design. Ed Mines |
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Benjamin Hom
Clark Propst asked: "I was gifted three 2 bay hoppers last night. An Accurail USRA, and Athearn, and something else? It’s longer than the Athearn with 9 outside posts, the center beam appears to have a screw in the center. Train Miniature perhaps?" Correct, and still sold by Walthers. "The thing is lettered V&O, does it have a prototype?" Yes. Prototype is the Pullman-Standard PS-3 HM. See the October 1998 and November 1998 issues of Mainline Modeler for more details. Your model is most likely from a "3 of a kind" run done by Train-Miniature in the late 1970s for both the Virginian and Ohio and Allegheny Midland. You'll readily find a buyer for it - if you want a PS-3, I'd sell this model and pickup another as there are plenty of these things with bogus paint schemes out there. Ben Hom |
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Clark Propst
Ben wrote: “Your model is most likely from a "3 of a kind" run done by
Train-Miniature in the late 1970s for both the Virginian and Ohio and Allegheny
Midland. You'll readily find a buyer for it”
You all will like this,
The guy that gave me the models last night told me if I didn’t want
any of the models to pass them on. Today a friend from a nearby town stopped by
to see my layout before heading to Arizona for the winter. He showed me photos
of his benchwork and a laser level on a tripod he’d bought to level everything.
He volunteered the level to my custody for the winter beings I have benchwork to
build. To show my gratitude I gave his the V&O hopper. He’s dropping the
level off tomorrow, I’ve printed your email Ben to give to him...Guess I should
have given him the Accurail car, uh...
Clark
Propst Mason City Iowa |
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Fred Jansz
Speakin'bout hoppers; years ago -maybe even decades ago- I bought my son a 3-pack of grey UP covered hoppers, think they were CH-70-1 or 2's. They were nicely detailed and looked very sharp. However, sold them years ago when he stopped playing trains and can't remember the brand. Would like to posess one of these, searched ebay without any result. Does this ring a bell? Thanks for your help.
best regards from Holland, Fred Jansz |
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gary laakso
Kato sold covered hoppers in 3 packs.
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
From: mailto:STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 3:52 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: 2 bay hopper Speakin'bout hoppers; years ago -maybe even decades ago- I bought my son a
3-pack of grey UP covered hoppers, think they were CH-70-1 or 2's. They were
nicely detailed and looked very sharp. However, sold them years ago when he
stopped playing trains and can't remember the brand. Would like to posess one of
these, searched ebay without any result. Does this ring a bell? Thanks for your
help. |
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Richard Townsend
A three-pack sounds like Kato covered hoppers.
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
-----Original Message----- From: fred@... [STMFC] To: STMFC Sent: Wed, Dec 14, 2016 12:54 am Subject: [STMFC] Re: 2 bay hopper Speakin'bout hoppers; years ago -maybe even decades ago- I bought my son a 3-pack of grey UP covered hoppers, think they were CH-70-1 or 2's. They were nicely detailed and looked very sharp. However, sold them years ago when he stopped playing trains and can't remember the brand. Would like to posess one of these, searched ebay without any result. Does this ring a bell? Thanks for your help.
best regards from Holland, Fred Jansz |
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Fred Jansz
Thank you all who answered, they were Kato's indeed. Found a few 3-packs on ebay. I don't need 3, so the trick is to find just one of each; one 1940 built CH-70-1 in red w. open sides and one closed: 1949 built CH-70-2 in grey. The red one will have to be painted & lettered for UP and I'd like to superdetail them; replace the cast-on grabs with wire drop grabs, add wire to brake system, scale wheels, etc.
cheers, Fred Jansz |
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Fred if you are going to that trouble just use the intermountain model. Brian J. Carlson On Dec 14, 2016, at 5:18 PM, fred@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
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I hit send too soon. They also have the closed side car further down the page. Brian J. Carlson On Dec 14, 2016, at 5:18 PM, fred@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
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Bill Welch
I second Brian's suggestion. Only breakable things to be replaced are the sill steps. The IM model is gorgeous in every way including the factory assembly, lettering and painting IMO.
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Ed Hawkins
On Dec 14, 2016, at 4:29 PM, Brian carlson prrk41361@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
Something to be aware of - the IM and Kato HO models were based on prototype cars from different builders. The IM model followed ACF drawings and a specific version of a locking bar design that was the most common of several options. Whereas, the Kato model was based on a GATC prototype with a different locking bar design and a few other differences. Fred indicated interest in two UP cars, CH-70-1 & CH-70-2, both built by GATC (see RP CYC Vol. 28, p. 205-208). The CH-70-1 came with a wood running board that neither the Kato or IM model has. Also, among other details the Kato model has cast-on ladder hand holds while the IM model has wire ladder hand holds. Regards, Ed Hawkins |
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Fred Jansz
Time flies....driven by nostalgia I totally forgot about the IM hoppers and thank you all for pointing me in that direction, although it instanly killed the kitbasher in me... oh well, more than enough projects waiting.
Gorgeous models indeed I'd have to replace the running board on the IM CH-70-1 but that's a piece of cake. I'll try to find the IM UP CH-70-1 in red, but have no other info on the prototype than both CH's in Terry Metcalfe's UP book. Are IM's paint schemes for the closed version reliable? I model/collect WP in 1950, so the UP would be OK too -but then I have two UP models- but I'd rather go for the ATSF or DRGW, both roads connection and interchanging with the WP. cheers, Fred |
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Fred Jansz
Hi Ed, thanks for your sharp vision. I answered the group before I read your reply, I'm sorry.
Indeed the UP cars are GATC and have a different locking bar design only the Kato's posess. Most simple solution would be to install the Kato locking mechanism on a IM car (and replace the running board). But you'd have to buy a set of 3 for that... Then the only Q remains: which of the closed IM ACF-based models are correct with the closing mechanism used on these cars? Are the ATSF & DRGW models correct (ACF-built)? Thanks for your thoughts. cheers, Fred BTW: this whole hopper-adverture was triggered by Tony's post of the Richard Hendrickson cars that among others showed a very smart looking UP CH-70-1 in red with the right locking mech. ánd wooden runboard. Of course! |
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Clark Propst
I’ve noticed that the 1958 cu ft covered hoppers seem to have different
height hatch flanges. Without comparing the models I can’t say which have tall
versa short flanges, but I believe they are different.
Clark
Propst Mason City Iowa |
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