UTLX Tank Car 37455 photo
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frograbbit602
Working on a UTLX X-3 Resin Car Works tank car. I have been using Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual, Vol. 2, Tank Cars by SpeedMedia for additional photo help. My question is regarding the photo of UTLX 37455 on the bottom of page 77. Next to the air reservoir on the left side is a plate (guard, mud flap) that appears to be attached to the running board to protect the air reservoir and control valve from wheel spray or maybe a train line bracket which appears to be running through it. Wondering what the real purpose is. Thank you, in advance, for your time and effort to look and help. Lester Breuer |
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frograbbit602
Please forgive my typing error. It should be Speedwitch Media.
Lester Breuer |
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I don't have that book, but didn't all UTLX tank cars have square plates mounted on the running boards (4 plates, facing all 4 directions) for mounting hazard placards? Tim O'Connor Working on a UTLX X-3 Resin Car Works tank car. I have been using Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual, Vol. 2, Tank Cars by SpeedMedia for additional photo help. My question is regarding the photo of UTLX 37455 on the bottom of page 77. Next to the air reservoir on the left side is a plate (guard, mud flap) that appears to be attached to the running board to protect the air reservoir and control valve from wheel spray or maybe a train line bracket which appears to be running through it. Wondering what the real purpose is. |
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Dave Parker
Lester: I would defer to Ted or to Steve Hile, but my take (guess) is that there is a pair of those "flaps", one on either side of the reservoir, and that their purpose is to support the reservoir and (likely) the AB valve above. I also think they must be attached to the centersill. It looks like some sort of bracket assembly that was applied when the car was converted from KC to AB. Dave Parker Riverside, CA |
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Scott H. Haycock
Lester, In the Tank Car Color Guide, Vol. 1, on page 9 is a photo of a Warrengas car. While not an X-3, it shows a very similar arrangement. I thing what you are looking at is pair of thin-walled brake-bent channels, one on each side of the air reservoir. They appear to be attached to the centersill and are cut at an angle under the running board. These act as a sort of crossbearer to support the air reservoir and AB valve. There could be a plate between them, above the reservoir upon which the AB valve is mounted. The angled shadow lines make this less apparent, but I think if you ignore the shadows you'll see what I mean. This could have been a shop built modification, done at the time of the conversion to AB brakes. Scott Haycock Lester: I would defer to Ted or to Steve Hile, but my take (guess) is that there is a pair of those "flaps", one on either side of the reservoir, and that their purpose is to support the reservoir and (likely) the AB valve above. I also think they must be attached to the centersill. It looks like some sort of bracket assembly that was applied when the car was converted from KC to AB. Dave Parker Riverside, CA |
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Without having the picture in front of me, I believe that Dave in correct. When the X-3's were converted to AB brakes, the air reservoir and AB valve are supported by a pair of heavy stampings that are riveted to the center sill and also help support the running board. There is a good photo showing this installation in the prototype data document on the RCW webpage at http://resincarworks.com/extras/kit4-01_UTLX10kX-3_protodata.pdf Let me know if there is something else needed in this area. Please note that Frank left out the small triangular gusset on the outside of each tank saddle casting and didn't mention how to address this issue in the instructions. I cut small right triangles from a piece of Evergreen HO 1x4 styrene and glued it, on edge, against the tank saddle casting. Hope this helps. From sunny but cool Florida in the wake of a fine Prototype Rails meet. Steve Hile -----Original Message----- |
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Steve SANDIFER
These should help from UTLX 54679, an X-3 preserved in El Dorado, Kansas.
What you see in Ted's book are these stampings which support the break cylinder and triple valve as well as the running board. __________________________________________________ J. Stephen Sandifer From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 1:20 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] UTLX Tank Car 37455 photo I don't have that book, but didn't all UTLX tank cars have square plates mounted on the running boards (4 plates, facing all 4 directions) for mounting hazard placards? Tim O'Connor Working on a UTLX X-3 Resin Car Works tank car. I have been using Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual, Vol. 2, Tank Cars by SpeedMedia for additional photo help. My question is regarding the photo of UTLX 37455 on the bottom of page 77. Next to the air reservoir on the left side is a plate (guard, mud flap) that appears to be attached to the running board to protect the air reservoir and control valve from wheel spray or maybe a train line bracket which appears to be running through it. Wondering what the real purpose is. Thank you, in advance, for your time and effort to look and help. Lester Breuer |
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Steve, Folks,
Having been able to pull out the photo and look, I can say that even without the photo, Steve nailed it ;) And I must say that I fee MUCH more confident in my UTL minutia due to an absolutely awesome clinic that Steve gave on this very subject at Cocoa.
I can't wait to dig out my UTLX cars and get to work!
Regards Bruce Smith Auburn, Al (Just got back 2 hours ago!)
From: STMFC@... on behalf of shile@... [STMFC]
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 2:26 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: UTLX Tank Car 37455 photo Without having the picture in front of me, I believe that Dave in correct. When the X-3's were converted to AB brakes, the air reservoir and AB valve are supported by a pair of heavy stampings that are riveted to the center sill and also help support
the running board. There is a good photo showing this installation in the prototype data document on the RCW webpage at
http://resincarworks.com/extras/kit4-01_UTLX10kX-3_protodata.pdf
Let me know if there is something else needed in this area.
Please note that Frank left out the small triangular gusset on the outside of each tank saddle casting and didn't mention how to address this issue in the instructions. I cut small right triangles from a piece of Evergreen HO 1x4 styrene and glued it,
on edge, against the tank saddle casting.
Hope this helps. From sunny but cool Florida in the wake of a fine Prototype Rails meet.
Steve Hile
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Steve SANDIFER
I have sent some photos to a new Album on the website, X-3 details. They will be available when approved.
__________________________________________________ J. Stephen Sandifer
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 7:21 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: UTLX Tank Car 37455 photo
Steve, Folks,
Having been able to pull out the photo and look, I can say that even without the photo, Steve nailed it ;) And I must say that I fee MUCH more confident in my UTL minutia due to an absolutely awesome clinic that Steve gave on this very subject at Cocoa. I can't wait to dig out my UTLX cars and get to work!
Regards Bruce Smith Auburn, Al (Just got back 2 hours ago!)
From: STMFC@... <STMFC@...> on behalf of shile@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...>
Without having the picture in front of me, I believe that Dave in correct. When the X-3's were converted to AB brakes, the air reservoir and AB valve are supported by a pair of heavy stampings that are riveted to the center sill and also help support the running board. There is a good photo showing this installation in the prototype data document on the RCW webpage at
Let me know if there is something else needed in this area.
Please note that Frank left out the small triangular gusset on the outside of each tank saddle casting and didn't mention how to address this issue in the instructions. I cut small right triangles from a piece of Evergreen HO 1x4 styrene and glued it, on edge, against the tank saddle casting.
Hope this helps. From sunny but cool Florida in the wake of a fine Prototype Rails meet.
Steve Hile |
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