Date
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PM XA 60123
Earl Tuson
Hello all,
I've been mining the Steamtown scans for freight car images, and I came across this view showing Pere Marquette auto
box car 60123, apparently an example of a wood framed, single sheathed box car design:
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-07-10-14/C4743.jpg
Oddly, I cannot find a corresponding series listed in Million & Paton's outstanding Pere Marquette Revenue Freight Cars
book.��Does anyone have anything to add about this car?
FWIW, my progress with the Steamtown scans posted by Pat McKnight can be found here, down below the Duke
University list and the Miami Conservancy District list:
http://fc.redmansefarm.com/photos.html
This is very much a work in progress... a bit more each night, but Mr. McKnight posts more every day, and I've got a bit
of catch up to play.��I'm working at it from both ends and only a bit more than halfway through, with about 2 years
remaining from mid 2014 to mid 2016.��There are a whole bunch of inactive links on my page; those will be ready
later.��Ultimately, it needs to go into a searchable and sortable file format, but I'm not there yet.
Earl Tuson
I've been mining the Steamtown scans for freight car images, and I came across this view showing Pere Marquette auto
box car 60123, apparently an example of a wood framed, single sheathed box car design:
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-07-10-14/C4743.jpg
Oddly, I cannot find a corresponding series listed in Million & Paton's outstanding Pere Marquette Revenue Freight Cars
book.��Does anyone have anything to add about this car?
FWIW, my progress with the Steamtown scans posted by Pat McKnight can be found here, down below the Duke
University list and the Miami Conservancy District list:
http://fc.redmansefarm.com/photos.html
This is very much a work in progress... a bit more each night, but Mr. McKnight posts more every day, and I've got a bit
of catch up to play.��I'm working at it from both ends and only a bit more than halfway through, with about 2 years
remaining from mid 2014 to mid 2016.��There are a whole bunch of inactive links on my page; those will be ready
later.��Ultimately, it needs to go into a searchable and sortable file format, but I'm not there yet.
Earl Tuson
You're doing a fantastic job, Earl. I scanned through the page before getting to the end of the email and started thinking that it needs to be in a searchable format, wishing I knew enough about web development to offer a suggestion or lend a hand.
Then I went back to the email and realized you're already thinking about that. Double fantastic job!
Matt Goodman
Columbus, Ohio
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Then I went back to the email and realized you're already thinking about that. Double fantastic job!
Matt Goodman
Columbus, Ohio
Sent from my mobile
On Mar 3, 2017, at 8:09 AM, 'Earl Tuson' etuson@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
Hello all,
I've been mining the Steamtown scans for freight car images, and I came across this view showing Pere Marquette auto
box car 60123, apparently an example of a wood framed, single sheathed box car design:
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-07-10-14/C4743.jpg
Oddly, I cannot find a corresponding series listed in Million & Paton's outstanding Pere Marquette Revenue Freight Cars
book. Does anyone have anything to add about this car?
FWIW, my progress with the Steamtown scans posted by Pat McKnight can be found here, down below the Duke
University list and the Miami Conservancy District list:
http://fc.redmansefarm.com/photos.html
This is very much a work in progress... a bit more each night, but Mr. McKnight posts more every day, and I've got a bit
of catch up to play. I'm working at it from both ends and only a bit more than halfway through, with about 2 years
remaining from mid 2014 to mid 2016. There are a whole bunch of inactive links on my page; those will be ready
later. Ultimately, it needs to go into a searchable and sortable file format, but I'm not there yet.
Earl Tuson
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Hello all,
I've been mining the Steamtown scans for freight car images, and I came across this view showing Pere Marquette auto
box car 60123, apparently an example of a wood framed, single sheathed box car design:
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-07-10-14/C4743.jpg
Oddly, I cannot find a corresponding series listed in Million & Paton's outstanding Pere Marquette Revenue Freight Cars
book. Does anyone have anything to add about this car?
FWIW, my progress with the Steamtown scans posted by Pat McKnight can be found here, down below the Duke
University list and the Miami Conservancy District list:
http://fc.redmansefarm.com/photos.html
This is very much a work in progress... a bit more each night, but Mr. McKnight posts more every day, and I've got a bit
of catch up to play. I'm working at it from both ends and only a bit more than halfway through, with about 2 years
remaining from mid 2014 to mid 2016. There are a whole bunch of inactive links on my page; those will be ready
later. Ultimately, it needs to go into a searchable and sortable file format, but I'm not there yet.
Earl Tuson
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earlyrail
I've been mining the Steamtown scans for freight car images, and I came across this view showing Pere Marquette auto
box car 60123, apparently an example of a wood framed, single sheathed box car design:
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-07-10-14/C4743.jpg
They did not stick around very long.
Not in the Feb 1913 ORER
Jan 1915 (my next) they are there. series 60000-60299 36' 2272 cu ft, 60000cpy 186 cars
Still there Nov 1917
but gone by Oct 1919
Howard Garner
Eric Hansmann
Earl,
I'm not near my notes but I think that funky PM automobile box car is a Mather car.
Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX
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I'm not near my notes but I think that funky PM automobile box car is a Mather car.
Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX
On Mar 3, 2017, at 5:43 PM, Matt Goodman goodman312@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
You're doing a fantastic job, Earl. I scanned through the page before getting to the end of the email and started thinking that it needs to be in a searchable format, wishing I knew enough about web development to offer a suggestion or lend a hand.
Then I went back to the email and realized you're already thinking about that. Double fantastic job!
Matt Goodman
Columbus, Ohio
Sent from my mobile
On Mar 3, 2017, at 8:09 AM, 'Earl Tuson' etuson@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
Hello all,
I've been mining the Steamtown scans for freight car images, and I came across this view showing Pere Marquette auto
box car 60123, apparently an example of a wood framed, single sheathed box car design:
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-07-10-14/C4743.jpg
Oddly, I cannot find a corresponding series listed in Million & Paton's outstanding Pere Marquette Revenue Freight Cars
book. Does anyone have anything to add about this car?
FWIW, my progress with the Steamtown scans posted by Pat McKnight can be found here, down below the Duke
University list and the Miami Conservancy District list:
http://fc.redmansefarm.com/photos.html
This is very much a work in progress... a bit more each night, but Mr. McKnight posts more every day, and I've got a bit
of catch up to play. I'm working at it from both ends and only a bit more than halfway through, with about 2 years
remaining from mid 2014 to mid 2016. There are a whole bunch of inactive links on my page; those will be ready
later. Ultimately, it needs to go into a searchable and sortable file format, but I'm not there yet.
Earl Tuson
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Al Kresse <water.kresse@...>
The ORERs say how long the cars were: 36-ft long. Most likely for Buick City in Flint. Ford and others demanded larger cars with wider side doors. Taller 40-ft cars were already becoming the norm for the industry.
Al Kresse
On March 3, 2017 at 8:03 PM "Howard R Garner cascaderail@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:
> I've been mining the Steamtown scans for freight car images, and I came across this view showing Pere Marquette auto
> box car 60123, apparently an example of a wood framed, single sheathed box car design:
>
> http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-07-10-14/C4743.jpg
They did not stick around very long.
Not in the Feb 1913 ORER
Jan 1915 (my next) they are there. series 60000-60299 36' 2272 cu ft,
60000cpy 186 cars
Still there Nov 1917
but gone by Oct 1919
Howard Garner
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Ray Breyer
Hi guys,
It's a Mather car; they did have a very few auto boxcars in their inventory. In fact, they may have only had 500 of these 36-footers: it looks like the Wabash had 500 of them in 1910, in the 19000-19499 series. They then drop off the Wabash roster and PM 60000-60299 show up. I've found this shot of the PM car and a series of five shots of Wabash 19290 taken in 1910, and the cars look identical.
The car itself is a typical all-wood Mather boxcar. Most of their circa 1895-1915 cars were built to this general standard: see the photo of Evansville & Indianapolis 6000 in Al Westerfield's ACF collection (lot 8272, built 11/1916), or the Library of Congress' photos of the SS Detroit car ferry for similar contemporary Mather stock cars.
(Mather also had some 40-foot, all-wood, "outside braced" auto boxcars built like this (yes, in this specific context, this is the correct terminology!): MC 15800-15999 and 950009-5199, and Wabash 19500-19749)
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL
Elgin, IL
From: "Al Kresse water.kresse@... [STMFC]"
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The ORERs say how long the cars were: 36-ft long. Most likely for Buick City in Flint. Ford and others demanded larger cars with wider side doors. Taller 40-ft cars were already becoming the norm for the industry.
Al Kresse
On March 3, 2017 at 8:03 PM "Howard R Garner cascaderail@... [STMFC]" wrote:
> I've been mining the Steamtown scans for freight car images, and I came across this view showing Pere Marquette auto
> box car 60123, apparently an example of a wood framed, single sheathed box car design:
>
> http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-07-10-14/C4743.jpg
They did not stick around very long.
Not in the Feb 1913 ORER
Jan 1915 (my next) they are there. series 60000-60299 36' 2272 cu ft,
60000cpy 186 cars
Still there Nov 1917
but gone by Oct 1919
Howard Garner
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