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Early ATSF Mechanical Reefer Models - What Do You Want?


thecitrusbelt@...
 

I have a friend who is in the product development group at a major model manufacture. For many years I have been asking him (Read: begging) for a first generation mechanical refrigerator car.

 

This week he finally asked me what I would propose for an HO scale model (and possibly one in N scale as well). My personal preference is an Rr-56, however, I only speak for myself.

 

If you were to propose that a manufacturer invest in the tooling and production of a first generation Santa Fe mechanical refrigerator car, which class would you suggest?

 

Keep in mind, a manufacturer wants to be able to produce cars that would sell based on the number of prototypes built, paint scheme variations and re-numberings that would allow for multiple production runs over the years.

 

In the case of mechanical reefers, later conversions to insulated boxcars and MOW service also are positive factors.

 

So, what are your candidate mechanical reefers (Santa Fe ONLY) and why? And I assume most everyone on this group wants separately applied details or a design that makes such upgrades relatively easy.

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Gary Green
 

Bob,



The Rr-56 would be a very desirable model with a significant number built in the later 1950s.



I model the early 1960s. The other class that attracts my attention is Rr-69 with 500 built in 1961.



Gary





Gary Green

Aptos, CA 95003

E-mail: <mailto:gary@regalvalley.com> gary@regalvalley.com

<http://www.norcalfreemo.org/>; www.norcalfreemo.org

<http://www.garymgreen.com/>; www.garymgreen.com

<http://garymgreen.com/handbook_introduction.html>; http://garymgreen.com/handbook_introduction.html











From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 6:15 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Early ATSF Mechanical Reefer Models - What Do You Want?





I have a friend who is in the product development group at a major model manufacture. For many years I have been asking him (Read: begging) for a first generation mechanical refrigerator car.



This week he finally asked me what I would propose for an HO scale model (and possibly one in N scale as well). My personal preference is an Rr-56, however, I only speak for myself.



If you were to propose that a manufacturer invest in the tooling and production of a first generation Santa Fe mechanical refrigerator car, which class would you suggest?



Keep in mind, a manufacturer wants to be able to produce cars that would sell based on the number of prototypes built, paint scheme variations and re-numberings that would allow for multiple production runs over the years.



In the case of mechanical reefers, later conversions to insulated boxcars and MOW service also are positive factors.



So, what are your candidate mechanical reefers (Santa Fe ONLY) and why? And I assume most everyone on this group wants separately applied details or a design that makes such upgrades relatively easy.



Thanks.



Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


thecitrusbelt@...
 



---In STMFC@..., <gary@...> wrote :

Bob,

The Rr-56 would be a very desirable model with a significant number built in the later 1950s.

I model the early 1960s. The other class that attracts my attention is Rr-69 with 500 built in 1961.

Gary
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The SFRD Class Rr-56 contained 233 cars built in 1955. A fit for the very, very late steam era plus the diesel era. Santa Fe had 191 of these cars on the roster as late as 1971.

Bob



Steve SANDIFER
 

I would fudge and use some RR-54, but everything else is just too late for my modeling.

 

Steve Sandifer

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 6:15 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Early ATSF Mechanical Reefer Models - What Do You Want?

 

 

I have a friend who is in the product development group at a major model manufacture. For many years I have been asking him (Read: begging) for a first generation mechanical refrigerator car.

 

This week he finally asked me what I would propose for an HO scale model (and possibly one in N scale as well). My personal preference is an Rr-56, however, I only speak for myself.

 

If you were to propose that a manufacturer invest in the tooling and production of a first generation Santa Fe mechanical refrigerator car, which class would you suggest?

 

Keep in mind, a manufacturer wants to be able to produce cars that would sell based on the number of prototypes built, paint scheme variations and re-numberings that would allow for multiple production runs over the years.

 

In the case of mechanical reefers, later conversions to insulated boxcars and MOW service also are positive factors.

 

So, what are your candidate mechanical reefers (Santa Fe ONLY) and why? And I assume most everyone on this group wants separately applied details or a design that makes such upgrades relatively easy.

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Tim O'Connor
 


  > If you were to propose that a manufacturer invest in the tooling and production of a first generation
    > Santa Fe mechanical refrigerator car, which class would you suggest?

Bob my suggestion would be the Rr-54 - They were delivered in 1953, and wore at least 3, maybe 4, different
paint schemes over the years. Reporting marks changed over the years as well. The Rr-56 came a couple years
later and looked pretty much the same, but had 1 fewer paint schemes. Both classes initially wore the names
of passenger trains (Super Chief or El Capitan) on one side, and S&T on the other side.

None of them existed in large numbers!! I think there were 30 Rr-54's and about 150 Rr-56's.

The -54 and -56 had roller bearings with CAPS rather than the rotating bearings that are universal today. This
gave the trucks a very distinctive look. The manufacturer should know that they might have to tool a new truck!

One thing that makes the Santa Fe reefers more interesting is that they were 2 ft to 3 ft longer than 50 foot PFE
reefers! Of course my personal preference would be a 40 or 50 foot PFE mechanical reefer. PFE had 500 of the
40 foot R-40-30's.

I tried talking Martin Lofton into doing an early mechanical reefer, but no, too modern for him. :-(

Tim O'Connor


Tim O'Connor
 


  > I model the early 1960s. The other class that attracts my attention is Rr-69 with 500 built in 1961.
  > Posted by: "Gary Green"

Obviously the Rr-69 is post-STMFC. Nevertheless, a manufacturer might want to
consider it because many, if not all, of these cars were REBUILT as box cars
(Bx-195 class) - so a clever manufacturer might be able to get two freight car
models for only slightly higher investment, and could sell them to 1961 up to
the late 1990's if not later - A much longer time span than the early reefers.

And like the other SF reefers, these cars were LONGER than 50 feet but shorter
than 57 feet (the most popular sizes) which makes them visually more distinctive.

Tim O'Connor


James Babcock
 

I too would fudge and use a couple of R-54s as the rest are beyond my modeling period.
Jim


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Subject: RE: [STMFC] Early ATSF Mechanical Reefer Models - What Do You Want?
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 23, 2017, 10:43 PM


 









I would fudge and use some RR-54,
but everything else is just too late for my modeling.
 Steve Sandifer  From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
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Sunday, April 23, 2017 6:15 PM
To:
STMFC@yahoogroups.com
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[STMFC] Early ATSF Mechanical Reefer Models - What Do You
Want?    I have a friend who is in the product development
group at a major model manufacture. For many years I have
been asking him (Read: begging) for a first generation
mechanical refrigerator car. This week he finally
asked me what I would propose for an HO scale model (and
possibly one in N scale as well). My personal preference is
an Rr-56, however, I only speak for myself. If you were to propose
that a manufacturer invest in the tooling and production of
a first generation Santa Fe mechanical refrigerator car,
which class would you suggest? Keep in mind, a
manufacturer wants to be able to produce cars that would
sell based on the number of prototypes built, paint scheme
variations and re-numberings that would allow for multiple
production runs over the years. In the case of mechanical
reefers, later conversions to insulated boxcars and MOW
service also are positive factors. So, what are your
candidate mechanical reefers (Santa Fe ONLY) and why? And I
assume most everyone on this group wants separately applied
details or a design that makes such upgrades relatively
easy. Thanks. Bob ChaparroHemet, CA










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charles slater
 

Bob some of the Rr-56 cars went into M of W service also, I forgot to mention that on my last E-mail. Also I have many photos of these cars. 

Charlie Slater 


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From: STMFC@... on behalf of thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC]
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 6:15 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Early ATSF Mechanical Reefer Models - What Do You Want?
 
 

I have a friend who is in the product development group at a major model manufacture. For many years I have been asking him (Read: begging) for a first generation mechanical refrigerator car.

 

This week he finally asked me what I would propose for an HO scale model (and possibly one in N scale as well). My personal preference is an Rr-56, however, I only speak for myself.

 

If you were to propose that a manufacturer invest in the tooling and production of a first generation Santa Fe mechanical refrigerator car, which class would you suggest?

 

Keep in mind, a manufacturer wants to be able to produce cars that would sell based on the number of prototypes built, paint scheme variations and re-numberings that would allow for multiple production runs over the years.

 

In the case of mechanical reefers, later conversions to insulated boxcars and MOW service also are positive factors.

 

So, what are your candidate mechanical reefers (Santa Fe ONLY) and why? And I assume most everyone on this group wants separately applied details or a design that makes such upgrades relatively easy.

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Bill Vaughn
 

The Rr-56 would be a great car and so would the Rr-69

Bill Vaughn



On Monday, April 24, 2017 12:39 PM, "Charles Slater atsfcondr42@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Bob some of the Rr-56 cars went into M of W service also, I forgot to mention that on my last E-mail. Also I have many photos of these cars. 
Charlie Slater 

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From: STMFC@... on behalf of thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC]
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 6:15 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Early ATSF Mechanical Reefer Models - What Do You Want?
 
 
I have a friend who is in the product development group at a major model manufacture. For many years I have been asking him (Read: begging) for a first generation mechanical refrigerator car.
 
This week he finally asked me what I would propose for an HO scale model (and possibly one in N scale as well). My personal preference is an Rr-56, however, I only speak for myself.
 
If you were to propose that a manufacturer invest in the tooling and production of a first generation Santa Fe mechanical refrigerator car, which class would you suggest?
 
Keep in mind, a manufacturer wants to be able to produce cars that would sell based on the number of prototypes built, paint scheme variations and re-numberings that would allow for multiple production runs over the years.
 
In the case of mechanical reefers, later conversions to insulated boxcars and MOW service also are positive factors.
 
So, what are your candidate mechanical reefers (Santa Fe ONLY) and why? And I assume most everyone on this group wants separately applied details or a design that makes such upgrades relatively easy.
 
Thanks.
 
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA



Rich C
 

This is a tough one. All the choices made would be welcome to us modelers. I would probably go with an Rr-56 just because of the number built compared to the others.

Rich Christie

ps - I too have seen them in MOW colors. There was a pair used as buffer cars for a welded rail train traveling over Tehachapi back in the 80s. They would remove the roof and fill them with rebar, then reattach the roof.


On Monday, April 24, 2017 2:39 PM, "Charles Slater atsfcondr42@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Bob some of the Rr-56 cars went into M of W service also, I forgot to mention that on my last E-mail. Also I have many photos of these cars. 
Charlie Slater 

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From: STMFC@... on behalf of thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC]
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 6:15 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Early ATSF Mechanical Reefer Models - What Do You Want?
 
 
I have a friend who is in the product development group at a major model manufacture. For many years I have been asking him (Read: begging) for a first generation mechanical refrigerator car.
 
This week he finally asked me what I would propose for an HO scale model (and possibly one in N scale as well). My personal preference is an Rr-56, however, I only speak for myself.
 
If you were to propose that a manufacturer invest in the tooling and production of a first generation Santa Fe mechanical refrigerator car, which class would you suggest?
 
Keep in mind, a manufacturer wants to be able to produce cars that would sell based on the number of prototypes built, paint scheme variations and re-numberings that would allow for multiple production runs over the years.
 
In the case of mechanical reefers, later conversions to insulated boxcars and MOW service also are positive factors.
 
So, what are your candidate mechanical reefers (Santa Fe ONLY) and why? And I assume most everyone on this group wants separately applied details or a design that makes such upgrades relatively easy.
 
Thanks.
 
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA