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Don't be chicken

Schuyler Larrabee
 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-05-04-17/X1731.jpg

 

The erielack list has been bereft of freight car photos for several weeks, but this image is for the birds.

 

Schuyler

 

Tony Thompson
 

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

 

 

The erielack list has been bereft of freight car photos for several weeks, but this image is for the birds.


       Now there is a truly challenging modeling project for the "right" freight car guy.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
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Eric Hansmann
 

I friend of mine models the Ulster & Delaware in 1923. The U&D served several of the big Catskill hotels and received their provisions by rail. He needs more than one poultry car. I expect him to take on a Foghorn Leghorn accent after building a couple of them.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 

 

 


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Schuyler Larrabee wrote:



 

 

The erielack list has been bereft of freight car photos for several weeks, but this image is for the birds.

 

       Now there is a truly challenging modeling project for the "right" freight car guy.

 

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA

2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com

(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...

Publishers of books on railroad history

 

 





Aley, Jeff A
 

Many moons ago, there was a fellow who came to Martin Lofton’s California meetings (e.g. Pleasanton) and gave a clinic on Poultry Cars.  Does anybody remember who that was (or is he an STMFC member)?

 

It was a very good clinic, and I still remember many of the things I learned.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

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Schuyler Larrabee wrote:



 

 

The erielack list has been bereft of freight car photos for several weeks, but this image is for the birds.

 

       Now there is a truly challenging modeling project for the "right" freight car guy.

 

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA

2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com

(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...

Publishers of books on railroad history

 

 

 

 

Ed Hawkins
 


On May 5, 2017, at 9:09 PM, 'Aley, Jeff A' Jeff.A.Aley@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Many moons ago, there was a fellow who came to Martin Lofton’s California meetings (e.g. Pleasanton) and gave a clinic on Poultry Cars.  Does anybody remember who that was (or is he an STMFC member)?


Jeff,
The fellow you refer to is Al Hoffman, aka, "The Railroad Poultry Car Expert.” However, Al is not on the STMFC.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

Aley, Jeff A
 

Ed,

 

                Thanks!  Do you have contact info for him?  Perhaps it’s time for him to educate a new audience in Cocoa Beach.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

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On May 5, 2017, at 9:09 PM, 'Aley, Jeff A' Jeff.A.Aley@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:



Many moons ago, there was a fellow who came to Martin Lofton’s California meetings (e.g. Pleasanton) and gave a clinic on Poultry Cars.  Does anybody remember who that was (or is he an STMFC member)?

 

Jeff,

The fellow you refer to is Al Hoffman, aka, "The Railroad Poultry Car Expert.” However, Al is not on the STMFC.

Regards,

Ed Hawkins

Aley, Jeff A
 

For that matter, Ed, when are YOU coming to Prototype Rails in Cocoa Beach?  We’d love to have you!

 

-Jeff

 

 

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Ed,

 

                Thanks!  Do you have contact info for him?  Perhaps it’s time for him to educate a new audience in Cocoa Beach.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

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On May 5, 2017, at 9:09 PM, 'Aley, Jeff A' Jeff.A.Aley@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:




Many moons ago, there was a fellow who came to Martin Lofton’s California meetings (e.g. Pleasanton) and gave a clinic on Poultry Cars.  Does anybody remember who that was (or is he an STMFC member)?

 

Jeff,

The fellow you refer to is Al Hoffman, aka, "The Railroad Poultry Car Expert.” However, Al is not on the STMFC.

Regards,

Ed Hawkins

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Schuyler, and Friends,

The next photo in the series shows the attendant's compartment, if that is what it really was: http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-05-04-17/X1732.jpg . I see a heater, a bag of feed, and presumably there was a water tank, possibly below the floor behind the sheathing, and some means of getting it to the birds. Did the attendant (or maybe "messenger") ride with the caboose with the crew? He certainly can't have been expected to travel in this space.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 5/5/17 9:54 PM, Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

 

 

The erielack list has been bereft of freight car photos for several weeks, but this image is for the birds.


       Now there is a truly challenging modeling project for the "right" freight car guy.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history








Bill Welch
 

Why a stove or heater if the attendant is not traveling in the car?

Bill Welch

Douglas Harding
 

Garth, yes to are looking at the attendant’s living quarters. Poultry cars were often leased to an individual who traveled with his car. Note the name above the door, Harris. That tells you whose car it is. The cars typically traveled a route, pickup up or purchasing birds along the way. Kind of like an LCL car in reverse. The attendant lived in the middle with a cot and stove. He also had feed and supplies for the birds under his care. There was a walkway between the cages. He would feed, water, collect eggs and dispose of dead birds.

 

 

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Schuyler, and Friends,

The next photo in the series shows the attendant's compartment, if that is what it really was: http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-05-04-17/X1732.jpg . I see a heater, a bag of feed, and presumably there was a water tank, possibly below the floor behind the sheathing, and some means of getting it to the birds. Did the attendant (or maybe "messenger") ride with the caboose with the crew? He certainly can't have been expected to travel in this space.

Yours Aye,

 

Garth Groff

 

On 5/5/17 9:54 PM, Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:



 

 

The erielack list has been bereft of freight car photos for several weeks, but this image is for the birds.

 

       Now there is a truly challenging modeling project for the "right" freight car guy.

 

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA

2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com

(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...

Publishers of books on railroad history

 

 

 

 


 

 

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Doug,

All I can say is, "Yecch!"

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 5/6/17 7:31 AM, 'Douglas Harding' doug.harding@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

Garth, yes to are looking at the attendant’s living quarters. Poultry cars were often leased to an individual who traveled with his car. Note the name above the door, Harris. That tells you whose car it is. The cars typically traveled a route, pickup up or purchasing birds along the way. Kind of like an LCL car in reverse. The attendant lived in the middle with a cot and stove. He also had feed and supplies for the birds under his care. There was a walkway between the cages. He would feed, water, collect eggs and dispose of dead birds.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

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Schuyler, and Friends,

The next photo in the series shows the attendant's compartment, if that is what it really was: http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-05-04-17/X1732.jpg . I see a heater, a bag of feed, and presumably there was a water tank, possibly below the floor behind the sheathing, and some means of getting it to the birds. Did the attendant (or maybe "messenger") ride with the caboose with the crew? He certainly can't have been expected to travel in this space.

Yours Aye,

 

Garth Groff

 

On 5/5/17 9:54 PM, Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:



 

 

The erielack list has been bereft of freight car photos for several weeks, but this image is for the birds.

 

       Now there is a truly challenging modeling project for the "right" freight car guy.

 

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA

2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com

(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...

Publishers of books on railroad history

 

 

 

 


 

 


Bob Weston
 

The Hoosier Valley Railroad Museum website has a very interesting article on the history and use of the Live Poultry Transit Company. This article can be found at www.hoosiervalley.org/history/turkeys-and-trains/. 
Bob Weston

Clark Propst
 

I remember the attendants being in some of Al’s photos. They wore clothes with white pok-a-dots all over them. Do you think the train crew would let them in their caboose?  ;  ))
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

Dennis Storzek
 




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Doug,

All I can say is, "Yecch!"

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

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Where is Mike Rowe when you need him?

Dennis Storzek

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I'll second that opinion!

Schuyler



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For that matter, Ed, when are YOU coming to Prototype Rails in Cocoa Beach?
We'd love to have you!



-Jeff





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Ed,



Thanks! Do you have contact info for him? Perhaps it's
time for him to educate a new audience in Cocoa Beach.



Regards,



-Jeff





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On May 5, 2017, at 9:09 PM, 'Aley, Jeff A' Jeff.A.Aley@... [STMFC]
<STMFC@...> wrote:







Many moons ago, there was a fellow who came to Martin Lofton's California
meetings (e.g. Pleasanton) and gave a clinic on Poultry Cars. Does anybody
remember who that was (or is he an STMFC member)?



Jeff,

The fellow you refer to is Al Hoffman, aka, "The Railroad Poultry Car
Expert." However, Al is not on the STMFC.

Regards,

Ed Hawkins

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Bob and List Members,

Especially interesting to me is that one of the images is a drawing for a poultry car - see link below.

http://www.hoosiervalley.org/files/cache/3ac3e1f10e6da0f65bca601aea5f5d93_f448.jpg

Unfortunately, the resolution is not sufficient to read any of the text. Anyone know where the image might have come from? Is this diagram from a CBD or TSC that anyone recognizes right off?

Claus Schlund

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The Hoosier Valley Railroad Museum website has a very interesting article on the history and use of the Live Poultry Transit Company. This article can be found at www.hoosiervalley.org/history/turkeys-and http://www.hoosiervalley.org/history/turkeys-and-trains/. Bob Weston

Schuyler Larrabee
 

No. 1. Keeping the attendant alive in cold weather

No. 2. Avoiding getting to the destination with frozen birds.



Schuyler



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Why a stove or heater if the attendant is not traveling in the car?



Bill Welch

frograbbit602
 

Yes it is the attendant's quarters. A stove, a cot to sleep on and a small sink normally on the left side of photo. Most cars had access to feed boxes or water tanks above on roof or below floor from these quarters. All my research on poultry cars says an attendant required to ride with the car to provide water and feed as poultry required. Not the best job in the world.
Lester Breuer

ed_mines
 

Didn't Mainline have a wood kit for one of these cars?


Ed Mines


Eric Hansmann
 

I had thought Ambroid had a poultry car kit.

 

Or did Mainline and Ambroid both produce poultry car kits?

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 

 

 


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Didn't Mainline have a wood kit for one of these cars?

 

Ed Mines