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ROGER HINMAN
The other interesting thing about these rebuilds is all of the ones I've seen have the early Barber S-1 trucks that came out around 1934, which would make them not original equipment.
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Roger Hinman -----Original Message-----
From: destorzek@... [STMFC] To: STMFC Sent: Tue, Jun 6, 2017 12:05 pm Subject: Re: [STMFC] Derby Foods Reefer (URTX 77063) ---In STMFC@..., wrote : Or you could apparently request them. When PFE started with mechanical reefers, they used the "original" type ends at the A end, since the barrier between the interior and the mechanical compartment had to resist internal load shifting, not the external end. The PFE order summaries say that these ends were purchased new from SRE, in the early 1950s.
Tony Thompson
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I think the other issue is the need for a square corner end. As far as I know, the Improved Dreadnaught design was never offered with square corners, as the industry had long realized the utility of the "W" section corner post... but, when trying to fit new ends to existing wood car framing, square corners work better.
In the case of the PFE mechanicals, the likely issue was wanting to use the thinnest corner post possible, which would allow the widest possible equipment access door/panel, whatever you want to call
it.
Comment about the Union Metal Products ends... I thought these were all "innies", with the stiffening swales inward from the plane through the corners. I thought the change to "outies" was concurrent with SRECo. acquiring this line.
Dennis Storzek
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---In STMFC@..., <tony@...> wrote : Or you could apparently request them. When PFE started with mechanical reefers, they used the "original" type ends at the A end, since the barrier between the interior and the mechanical compartment had to resist internal load shifting, not the external end. The PFE order summaries say that these ends were purchased new from SRE, in the early 1950s. Tony Thompson ===================== I think the other issue is the need for a square corner end. As far as I know, the Improved Dreadnaught design was never offered with square corners, as the industry had long realized the utility of the "W" section corner post... but, when trying to fit new ends to existing wood car framing, square corners work better. In the case of the PFE mechanicals, the likely issue was wanting to use the thinnest corner post possible, which would allow the widest possible equipment access door/panel, whatever you want to call it. Comment about the Union Metal Products ends... I thought these were all "innies", with the stiffening swales inward from the plane through the corners. I thought the change to "outies" was concurrent with SRECo. acquiring this line. Dennis Storzek |
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Tony Thompson
Dennis Storzek wrote:
Or you could apparently request them. When PFE started with mechanical reefers, they used the "original" type ends at the A end, since the barrier between the interior and the mechanical compartment had to resist internal load shifting, not the external end. The PFE order summaries say that these ends were purchased new from SRE, in the early 1950s. Tony Thompson |
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ROGER HINMAN
The cars I have seen closeup have early UMP dreadnoughts with the square corners. You're correct that SRE probably got all the early dies when they bought out UMP. I've speculated General American may have picked the ends up from one of the many Chicago area scrappers. -----Original Message----- From: destorzek@... [STMFC] To: STMFC Sent: Mon, Jun 5, 2017 5:53 pm Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Derby Foods Reefer (URTX 77063) ---In STMFC@..., wrote : 1955, possible rolling into the following year. My favorite unanswered question is where they found the 1930's vintage steel ends to put on these cars. Roger Hinman
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I would suspect that SRECo. would make you anything you wanted... size wise, as I'm sure they retained their tooling from older products. I would imagine the real determining factor, Dreadnaught vs. Improved Dreadnaught ends, was the potential for future sales. My guess, if the end was a size that hadn't been redesigned as an
"improved" end, and it didn't look like they would sell a lot of them, they just ran the older dies.
Dennis Storzek
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---In STMFC@..., <rhinman11@...> wrote : 1955, possible rolling into the following year. My favorite unanswered question is where they found the 1930's vintage steel ends to put on these cars. Roger Hinman ================= I would suspect that SRECo. would make you anything you wanted... size wise, as I'm sure they retained their tooling from older products. I would imagine the real determining factor, Dreadnaught vs. Improved Dreadnaught ends, was the potential for future sales. My guess, if the end was a size that hadn't been redesigned as an "improved" end, and it didn't look like they would sell a lot of them, they just ran the older dies. Dennis Storzek |
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ROGER HINMAN
1955, possible rolling into the following year. My favorite unanswered question is where they found the 1930's vintage steel ends to put on these cars. Roger Hinman -----Original Message-----
From: rwitt_2000@... [STMFC] To: STMFC <STMFC@...> Sent: Mon, Jun 5, 2017 12:37 pm Subject: [STMFC] Re: Derby Foods Reefer (URTX 77063) Bob,
The URTX reefer is a nice bonus to Monon caboose image. Can someone refresh my memory and give a time-line for when URT began the rebuilting program substituting steel ends for the original wood sheathed ones. Bob Witt |
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rwitt_2000
Bob,
The URTX reefer is a nice bonus to Monon caboose image. Can someone refresh my memory and give a time-line for when URT began the rebuilting program substituting steel ends for the original wood sheathed ones. Bob Witt |
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thecitrusbelt@...
Another Chuck Zeiler photo:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/chuckzeiler/23618635499/in/album-72157660155670569/
Derby Foods of Chicago was a Swift & Company subsidiary. They introduced the E. K. Pond brand of peanut butter in 1920, renamed Peter Pan in 1928. Originally the product was packaged in a tin can with a turn key and reclosable lid. The product's packaging was changed to glass jars because of metal shortages during World War II. In 1988, Peter Pan was the first brand of peanut butter to be sold in plastic jars and is now produced by ConAgra Foods.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
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