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Jared Harper
 

Can anyone provide a prototype photo of the hopper/gon that F&C offers in kit form?
I would appreciate it.

Jared Harper

Benjamin Hom
 

Jared Harper asked:
"Can anyone provide a prototype photo of the hopper/gon that F&C offers in kit form?
I would appreciate it."

Could you be more specific? Funaro makes a bunch of hopper and gon kits.


Ben Hom

Staffan Ehnbom
 

If it is the KCS hopper gon there are photos and drawings on pages 272-273 in Train Shed Cyclopedia No. 5.

Staffan Ehnbom

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 7:01 AM, Jared Harper harperandbrown@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Can anyone provide a prototype photo of the hopper/gon that F&C offers in kit form?
I would appreciate it.

Jared Harper


Bill Welch
 

Actually the only Hopper/Gondola combination F&C offers is their Kansas City Southern kit.

Bill Welch

Benjamin Hom
 

Jared  Harper asked: 
"Can anyone provide a prototype photo of the hopper/gon that F&C offers in kit form?  I would appreciate it."

Staffan Ehnbom replied:
"If it is the KCS hopper gon there are photos and drawings on pages 272-273 in Train Shed Cyclopedia No. 5."

I see now - synapses weren't all firing at once at 0400.

See also "All Welded Hopper-Gon - Unique to the KCS" by Martin Lofton in the January 1991 issue of Mainline Modeler.


Ben Hom

Benjamin Hom
 

Bill Welch wrote:
"Actually the only Hopper/Gondola combination F&C offers is their Kansas City Southern kit."

Not true.  Funaro offers three Loree-era D&H composite hopper-bottom gons.  These have been in their line since the mid-1980s.

These cars were on their way out by the transition era (< 10 of each type by 1950 IIRC), but have that funky throwback Loree-era vibe shared by the original configuration Seley hoppers.


Ben Hom


  

Bill Welch
 

My Mistake Ben. Have no idea what "Loree-era" means.

Bill Welch

Bruce Smith
 

Bill,

It’s a D&H thing - Leonor F. Loree was an engineer who was president of the D&H from 1907 to 1938.  He was also president of the B&O (1901-04), CRI&P (1904), KCS (1918-1920) and chairman of the MKT (1926-28).  He was know for encouraging innovative engineering approaches.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:21 AM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:



My Mistake Ben. Have no idea what "Loree-era" means.

Bill Welch



Bill Welch
 

Why did he have so much trouble holding a job?

Bill Welch

Benjamin Hom
 

Bruce Smith wrote:
"It’s a D&H thing - Leonor F. Loree was an engineer who was president of the D&H from 1907 to 1938.  He was also president of the B&O (1901-04), CRI&P (1904), KCS (1918-1920) and chairman of the MKT (1926-28).  He was know for encouraging innovative engineering approaches."

Bill Welch asked:
"Why did he have so much trouble holding a job?"

He didn't.

Prior to becoming the president of the B&O, Loree spent over 20 years with the Pennsy as a civil engineer and executive.  He was a turnaround specialist - an early 20th century version of John Barringer brought in by trustees to turn around troubled railroads.  For example, his presidency on the B&O coincided with PRR control of the railroad.

While an innovator, Loree's rolling stock philosophy on the D&H was conservative.  The dominate freight power was 2-8-0s with Wooten fireboxes, and the freight car fleet was largely made up of composite designs built in the railroad's own shops.  The railroad did experiment during the Depression, converting several "Super Consolidations" and developing interesting welded single-sheathed and welded side boxcar designs, but it also investigated the use of roller bearings in arch bar trucks.  As a result, the D&H rolling stock fleet had a very distinctive look, very few outside designs (USRA twin hoppers and single sheathed boxcars) on the roster before the end of WWII.


Ben Hom  

Edward
 

Lenoir Loree had no trouble at all in holding a job. He did excellent work, then moved on to another challenge. He was president of the B&O while it was in receivership and under Pennsylvania Railroad control, which was arranged by financier J.P. Morgan. He left when B&O's period in receivership ended. 

Loree at the time was a PRR man. He did much to re-build and re-organize the B&O into a stronger, more efficient carrier. It had bankrupted itself in a head-long, spare-no-expense rush to get into the New York freight market in the 1880's-90's, while neglecting its western lines which were in disrepair and giving poor service.
Loree also updated the aged and obsolete B&O motive power during his time with the company. Some classes of new B&O steam locomotives were built to basic PRR designs, notably with Belpaire fireboxes.

Ed Bommer

Armand Premo
 

 Not to prolong the agony but  , F&C has a great kit of Rutland Hopper Bottom gons . AFAIK ,I don't think they were used in interchange . Armand Premo

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 12:30 PM, edb8391@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Lenoir Loree had no trouble at all in holding a job. He did excellent work, then moved on to another challenge. He was president of the B&O while it was in receivership and under Pennsylvania Railroad control, which was arranged by financier J.P. Morgan. He left when B&O's period in receivership ended. 

Loree at the time was a PRR man. He did much to re-build and re-organize the B&O into a stronger, more efficient carrier. It had bankrupted itself in a head-long, spare-no-expense rush to get into the New York freight market in the 1880's-90's, while neglecting its western lines which were in disrepair and giving poor service.
Loree also updated the aged and obsolete B&O motive power during his time with the company. Some classes of new B&O steam locomotives were built to basic PRR designs, notably with Belpaire fireboxes.

Ed Bommer


Jared Harper
 

The only offer one that is a KCS car.

Jared Harper

Jared Harper
 

Thanks!

Jared  Harper


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If it is the KCS hopper gon there are photos and drawings on pages 272-273 in Train Shed Cyclopedia No. 5.

Staffan Ehnbom

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 7:01 AM, Jared Harper harperandbrown@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Can anyone provide a prototype photo of the hopper/gon that F&C offers in kit form?
I would appreciate it.

Jared Harper


Donald B. Valentine
 




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Why did he have so much trouble holding a job?

Bill Welch

Some will disagree but I would suggest that it was largely because he learned his
railroading on the Standard Scrapyard of the World, otherwise known as the Pennsy.
He damn near put the D&H into bankruptcy before Nuelle and then White brought it 
back. Loree's idea of a good locomotive was a 2-8-0 that would haul as much as a 
superpower Lima 2-8-4 but at only half the speed. Comparing him to John Barringer
IMHO is little more than an insult to Barringer. He might have been a good railroad
executive prior to 1900 but certainly not after 1910.

Cordially, Don Valentine