Grain Elevators in the 20s and 30s?
I don't know where else would be a better place to post this question ...
I just this week received some new Photo CDs and one of them is of GN - Depots.
There are a -lot- (not just a few) images that were taken in the early part of the
century (probably 1920, perhaps teens, unlikely to be later than 1935) and they
are of "lonely places out on the prairies" where there are grain elevators.
That's no surprise. What is a surprise to me is to find so many images
where there wasn't just one or two elevators but rather 4, 5, 6 and even
more. And where there was little else anywhere near - a small station but
no "town". And they are BIG structures, always of wood, and with more
than one company in evidence where ever I could read more than one
label.
I'm hoping to get "edumacated" by someone with more experience in
Minnesota, North and South Dakota, Iowa, and Eastern Montana ... and
a little bit of Wisconsin and Manitoba.
My questions/wonderings are:
1) I've never understood that the grain elevators were that early.
These are definitely in the horse and wagon era.
2) Due to the size - and number - of the elevators at these locations
they had to be storing a LOT of grain. I'm surprised that there
was so much grain to store (see above comments about what
states we are talking about. But, in support of the need is the
fact that the land around them is "dead flat" and with no patches
of hills/forests in evidence.
3) The stations almost appear to be more of "some place for the
local freight agent to work" ... than for passengers. They do
have a platform and a train order board but there aren't people
around them waiting for a train. Nor are their vehicles/wagons/
buggies. But they are -clearly- not abandoned and the elevators
are clearly in use.
4) So were they already doing the "store the harvest in the elevator
and then sell and ship it thru the rest of the year" thing that
early? Sure looks like the probable explanation.
5) I've seen lots of pictures of prairie towns with an elevator before.
What I found curious/interesting about these pictures is that it
almost seems like the elevators (and stations) were built first
and the towns "grew up around them" later.
****
If you haven't seen any of them - I am very happy with my
purchases of Photo CDs from PrairieWorks. I got them on eBay.
You pretty much have to be a fan of the Northern tier of states
from Minnesota to Washington to "need" them.
- Jim B.
The good news is that there is a Yahoo Grain Elevator Special Interest Group:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/grainelevatorsig/info
The bad new is that they haven't had a message post since December 2015.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
Jim, let me see if I can answer a few of your questions. I live in Iowa and am familiar with grain elevators. In the 20s & 30s Iowa and southern Minnesota was raising corn and oats, with some wheat, but most went into feed for livestock. Most grain raised in Wisconsin also went into livestock feed. Northern Minnesota, the Dakotas and Montana was wheat country. Also other small grains like flax, rye, hops, etc. Corn yields were about 20 to 30 bushels per acre. Compare to today whene typically corn yield is 150-170 bushels, with many farms seeing close to 200 bushels.
1) Grain elevators date back to the 1840s, when Buffalo NY became the place connecting the great lakes with New York City via the Erie Canal and the home of the first grain elevator. The wood cribbed elevator you see in your photos was quite common by 1900. Common construction was a square or rectangle shape, anywhere from 16’ to 36’ along one side. Height ranged from 40’ to upwards of 80’ for wood elevator. Concrete elevators reached heights of 110’ and higher. The walls were built with 2xmaterial laid flat and nailed together. The bottom was laid with 2x12s or 2x10s, then as the height grew the wall was reduced to 2x8s then 2x6s. The corners were interlaced in a finger joint. Then covered with siding. There were no corner trim boards because the weight of the grain would compress the walls in the first couple of years. This compression would cause any trim boards to pop loose.
2) Competition: the situation you describe sounds like western wheat lands. At least one elevator would be owned by a local farmer coop association of some sort, larger areas might have two. One would be a local owned private concern. And at least one would be owned by a large flour mill operation, ie Pillsbury, General Mills, Cargill, etc. Coops existed to give members an advantage for purchasing as well as selling. Also the coop would extend a line of credit to members. The private elevator was a cash operation, who would buy the farmers grain and hope to sell it in a larger market while making a profit. The flour mills were buying direct from the farmers, they might pay a little more, but they might not.
3) The great western prairie wheat lands were sparsely populated. And there may have only been two passenger trains a day, so people would only be present when a train was expected. In the era you describe folks only came to town once a week to do their trading, if that often. As the town was small the population was minimal.
4) Short Answer: Yes. But unlike today the harvest was moved to processing centers, ie flour mills.
5) Much of the land west of the Mississippi was developed as the railroads move west. In fact many towns were established by the railroads as a water stop. Soon a depot and stock pen was added, then a grain elevator, a store, etc. The town I live in was not incorporated until 10 years after the railroad came through. The first form of government did not form until 2 years after the railroad. The land grant railroads marketed and sold their land to prospective farmers, even running immigrant trains bringing new settlers to the wide open prairies. In many areas the railroad came first, the towns and people followed.
Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 6:09 PM
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Subject: [STMFC] Grain Elevators in the 20s and 30s?
Hi,
I don't know where else would be a better place to post this question ...
I just this week received some new Photo CDs and one of them is of GN
- Depots.
There are a -lot- (not just a few) images that were taken in the early
part of the
century (probably 1920, perhaps teens, unlikely to be later than 1935)
and they
are of "lonely places out on the prairies" where there are grain elevators.
That's no surprise. What is a surprise to me is to find so many images
where there wasn't just one or two elevators but rather 4, 5, 6 and even
more. And where there was little else anywhere near - a small station but
no "town". And they are BIG structures, always of wood, and with more
than one company in evidence where ever I could read more than one
label.
I'm hoping to get "edumacated" by someone with more experience in
Minnesota, North and South Dakota, Iowa, and Eastern Montana ... and
a little bit of Wisconsin and Manitoba.
My questions/wonderings are:
1) I've never understood that the grain elevators were that early.
These are definitely in the horse and wagon era.
2) Due to the size - and number - of the elevators at these locations
they had to be storing a LOT of grain. I'm surprised that there
was so much grain to store (see above comments about what
states we are talking about. But, in support of the need is the
fact that the land around them is "dead flat" and with no patches
of hills/forests in evidence.
3) The stations almost appear to be more of "some place for the
local freight agent to work" ... than for passengers. They do
have a platform and a train order board but there aren't people
around them waiting for a train. Nor are their vehicles/wagons/
buggies. But they are -clearly- not abandoned and the elevators
are clearly in use.
4) So were they already doing the "store the harvest in the elevator
and then sell and ship it thru the rest of the year" thing that
early? Sure looks like the probable explanation.
5) I've seen lots of pictures of prairie towns with an elevator before.
What I found curious/interesting about these pictures is that it
almost seems like the elevators (and stations) were built first
and the towns "grew up around them" later.
****
If you haven't seen any of them - I am very happy with my
purchases of Photo CDs from PrairieWorks. I got them on eBay.
You pretty much have to be a fan of the Northern tier of states
from Minnesota to Washington to "need" them.
- Jim B.
“The good news is that there is a Yahoo Grain Elevator Special Interest Group”
Good because grain elevators, not being frt cars, are not an accepted subject on the STMFC and, therefor, the thread about grain elevators is terminated.
Mike Brock
STMFC Boss
Bob Chaparro
The good news is that there is a Yahoo Grain Elevator Special Interest Group:
<https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/grainelevatorsig/info> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/grainelevatorsig/info
The bad new is that they haven't had a message post since December 2015.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
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