Hopper Bottom Boxcar


thecitrusbelt@...
 

Here is a link to a brief photo article on a Canadian Pacific hopper bottom boxcar that appeared in the April 1921 edition of Popular Mechanics:

 

http://www.trainweb.org/oldtimetrains/photos/cpr_rolling/hopper_bottom_boxcar.jpg

 

Did these ever catch on with railroads in the U.S.?

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Benjamin Hom
 

Bob Chaparro asked:
"Here is a link to a brief photo article on a Canadian Pacific hopper bottom boxcar that appeared in the April 1921 edition of Popular Mechanics:
 
http://www.trainweb.org/oldtimetrains/photos/cpr_rolling/hopper_bottom_boxcar.jpg
 
Did these ever catch on with railroads in the U.S.?"

No, though this approach was used by GN and successor BN to increase the efficiency and utilization of boxcars used for hauling grain.  The GN example is available in HO scale from Funaro (kit 3702).  After the period of this list, Burlington Northern experimented with boxcar/covered hoppers nicknamed "boppers" in the 1980s; three of these cars are in the collection of the Lake Superior Railroad museum.

The vast majority of boxcars used in grain service were plain boxcars using grain doors and seals.


Ben Hom


Garth Groff or Sally Sanford <sarahsan@...>
 

Bob and Ben,

Well, they certainly didn't "catch on", but there were more examples around than just the GN and CP examples. Even the Northern Electric Railway (later the Sacramento Northern) had a few: http://www.wplives.org/sn/nebox.html .

There was also a craze for hopper-bottomed stock cars to also carry coal or coke, and an ATSF example is shown in illustrations 184-185 in the 1919 CAR BUILDER'S DICTIONARY. This is reproduced in Gregg's TRAIN SHED CYCLOPEDIA No. 36.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 11/1/17 1:30 PM, Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC] wrote:

 
Bob Chaparro asked:
"Here is a link to a brief photo article on a Canadian Pacific hopper bottom boxcar that appeared in the April 1921 edition of Popular Mechanics:
 
http://www.trainweb.org/oldtimetrains/photos/cpr_rolling/hopper_bottom_boxcar.jpg
 
Did these ever catch on with railroads in the U.S.?"

No, though this approach was used by GN and successor BN to increase the efficiency and utilization of boxcars used for hauling grain.  The GN example is available in HO scale from Funaro (kit 3702).  After the period of this list, Burlington Northern experimented with boxcar/covered hoppers nicknamed "boppers" in the 1980s; three of these cars are in the collection of the Lake Superior Railroad museum.

The vast majority of boxcars used in grain service were plain boxcars using grain doors and seals.


Ben Hom


Robert kirkham
 

Just in case it wasn’t entirely obvious to everyone, it should be noted that the car shown in the photo is not a boxcar, and not one of the cars with hopper bottoms.  This is most immediately evident by comparing the side sill in the close up of the car door and open hopper, and comparing it with the larger ¾ view shot of the autoboxcar.   The hopper bottom boxcars in question were very similar to the USRA single sheathed boxcars, though to higher weight capacity and with some minor differences in the underframe (probably associated with accommodating the hoppers.)   They were originally built as follows:

230000-230999 blt by NSC  

231000-232499 blt by CCF  

232500-232999 blt by ECC  

233000-233499 blt by CCF

And were all consolidated into the 230000-233499 series by 1923.  With re-building (mostly to remove the hoppers) starting in the 1930s and continuing into the 50s, re-numberings can also be traced. 

 

Meanwhile the auto-boxcar shown in the Popular Mechanics article was from the 500 cars in the 297000 – 297084 and 297085 – 297499 series.  These are similar to the car issued by Yarmouth, but have different ends, different underframe and different side sills.

 

Rob Kirkham  

 

 

 

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Here is a link to a brief photo article on a Canadian Pacific hopper bottom boxcar that appeared in the April 1921 edition of Popular Mechanics:

 

http://www.trainweb.org/oldtimetrains/photos/cpr_rolling/hopper_bottom_boxcar.jpg

 

Did these ever catch on with railroads in the U.S.?

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA





Jeff Eggert
 

This is pushing the group time frame, but sometime between 1958 and 1963, there was a proposal by the CNW mechanical department to rebuild some of their war emergency boxcars into covered hoppers.  To the best of my knowledge this never happened.  It went as far as a car diagram proposing 4 roof hatches, 2 discharge gates, and 2 grain access doors.  They even estimated the light weight of 55,600 lb and having 3047 ft.

Jeff Eggert