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other gondola to box car rebuilds - was LNE Rolling Stock

Eric Hansmann
 

This is interesting as another regional railroad was also converting older gondolas to box cars in the mid-1920s, too.

 

The Western Maryland began converting fishbelly center sill, composite gondolas in the 40960-40971 and 40972-40973 series about 1926. Nearly 900 of these gondolas were listed in the 1919 ORER and only 13 listed in the 1927 ORER.

 

The 1943 ORER lists 805 box cars in the 23000-24999 series with 6-foot doors and an 8-foot interior height. These were double sheathed cars with an odd bolster to end sill distance. These cars were the dominant box car class on the WM in 1940, and largely unknown to many fans of the railroad.

 

How many other lines were rebuilding gondolas into box cars in the 1920s?

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

 

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According to Eric Neubauer's LNE freight car book these cars were rebuilt from gondolas by LNE in 1925.

 

They were originally from gondola series 10001-10200 built by PSC in 1916. 

 

Hope this helps. 

 

John Evans 

Easton, PA


On Nov 9, 2017, at 6:43 PM, johnsykesiii@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Help!!!

 

I am preparing an LNE roster for 1954 – 1958.  Not my primary road (which is PRR) but I am going to make a “hypothetical” connection near Bath, PA.  Per usual, I want to get things right so I have been chasing down the details of the LNE roster (which I will post here when completed).

 

First issue:  I am looking for construction information on the 7001-7200 boxcar series.  There were 182 left in 1954 and they were gone by 1958.  They are specified as “steel frame” boxcars in the 1954 ORER, with an interior length of 39’10”.  I’m pretty sure they were single-sheathed boxcars from their 50 ton capacity. But . . .

 

I haven’t a clue as to who made them or when.  Somewhere, I saw a date of 1916, but think that was off the side of an Accurail model boxcar (very questionable).  I could not find these cars in Ted Culotta’s Box & Automobile Cars book nor Ed Kaminshi’s ACF, or Magor Car Corporation books or Erik Neubauer’s PSCC e-book.

 

Anyone know who built those 200 boxcars for LNE and when were they built?  Also, where they a Pre-WWI, USRA or ARA design or clone?

 

TYIA -- John

 


Ray Breyer
 

Add one more: the W&LE converted 400 wood gondolas in their 43000-43999 and 44000-44999 series into all-wood, double sheathed boxcars in the 22000-22399 series between 1917 and 1918. There were still 275 on the roster in 1930, but the group was don to only four cars by 1934, and they were gone by 1936.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL



On Friday, November 10, 2017, 8:13:36 AM CST, 'Eric Hansmann' eric@... [STMFC] wrote:

This is interesting as another regional railroad was also converting older gondolas to box cars in the mid-1920s, too.

The Western Maryland began converting fishbelly center sill, composite gondolas in the 40960-40971 and 40972-40973 series about 1926. Nearly 900 of these gondolas were listed in the 1919 ORER and only 13 listed in the 1927 ORER.

The 1943 ORER lists 805 box cars in the 23000-24999 series with 6-foot doors and an 8-foot interior height. These were double sheathed cars with an odd bolster to end sill distance. These cars were the dominant box car class on the WM in 1940, and largely unknown to many fans of the railroad.

How many other lines were rebuilding gondolas into box cars in the 1920s?
Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

  

Eric Hansmann
 

In the W&LE and WM cases, I suspect the railroads were assessing their fleets and realizing the steel hoppers offered more efficient service and a better return on their investment. Their composite wood gondolas possibly needed more maintenance after a shorter service time. Both lines had aging box car fleets so why not convert excess cars to something that is needed.

 

And please note, all of the conversions so far noted were done several years before the Depression began.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

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Add one more: the W&LE converted 400 wood gondolas in their 43000-43999 and 44000-44999 series into all-wood, double sheathed boxcars in the 22000-22399 series between 1917 and 1918. There were still 275 on the roster in 1930, but the group was don to only four cars by 1934, and they were gone by 1936.

 

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL

 

 

 

On Friday, November 10, 2017, 8:13:36 AM CST, 'Eric Hansmann' eric@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

This is interesting as another regional railroad was also converting older gondolas to box cars in the mid-1920s, too.

The Western Maryland began converting fishbelly center sill, composite gondolas in the 40960-40971 and 40972-40973 series about 1926. Nearly 900 of these gondolas were listed in the 1919 ORER and only 13 listed in the 1927 ORER.

The 1943 ORER lists 805 box cars in the 23000-24999 series with 6-foot doors and an 8-foot interior height. These were double sheathed cars with an odd bolster to end sill distance. These cars were the dominant box car class on the WM in 1940, and largely unknown to many fans of the railroad.

 

How many other lines were rebuilding gondolas into box cars in the 1920s?

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

  


Eric Hansmann
 

Oops. I just re-read Bob Witt’s notes on the SAL automobile cars built from gondolas. Those seem to be a Depression Era project. But the LNE, WM, and W&LE conversions were not.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

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In the W&LE and WM cases, I suspect the railroads were assessing their fleets and realizing the steel hoppers offered more efficient service and a better return on their investment. Their composite wood gondolas possibly needed more maintenance after a shorter service time. Both lines had aging box car fleets so why not convert excess cars to something that is needed.

 

And please note, all of the conversions so far noted were done several years before the Depression began.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

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Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 9:46 AM
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Subject: Re: RE: [STMFC] other gondola to box car rebuilds - was LNE Rolling Stock

 



Add one more: the W&LE converted 400 wood gondolas in their 43000-43999 and 44000-44999 series into all-wood, double sheathed boxcars in the 22000-22399 series between 1917 and 1918. There were still 275 on the roster in 1930, but the group was don to only four cars by 1934, and they were gone by 1936.

 

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL

 

 

 

On Friday, November 10, 2017, 8:13:36 AM CST, 'Eric Hansmann' eric@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

This is interesting as another regional railroad was also converting older gondolas to box cars in the mid-1920s, too.

The Western Maryland began converting fishbelly center sill, composite gondolas in the 40960-40971 and 40972-40973 series about 1926. Nearly 900 of these gondolas were listed in the 1919 ORER and only 13 listed in the 1927 ORER.

The 1943 ORER lists 805 box cars in the 23000-24999 series with 6-foot doors and an 8-foot interior height. These were double sheathed cars with an odd bolster to end sill distance. These cars were the dominant box car class on the WM in 1940, and largely unknown to many fans of the railroad.

 

How many other lines were rebuilding gondolas into box cars in the 1920s?

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

  

 

 

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