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NKP 4321: Uncommon Or Not?

thecitrusbelt@...
 

This photo, from Along the Right of Way blog, shows a forty-foot single door boxcar with end doors:

 

http://thecourier.typepad.com/.a/6a00d834ca83d669e2019b0395de91970c-pi

 

Was this an uncommon design?

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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Along the Right of Way blog: http://thecourier.typepad.com/alongtherightofway/

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Bob,

40' end-door auto cars were not all that common, though certainly not rare. I'm not an NKP maven, but I would suggest from the side sill treatment and the fishbelly underframe that this car is a rebuilt single-sheathed car. Perhaps someone else can confirm this.

Look at the car number though: 4321!

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 12/16/17 9:14 PM, thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

This photo, from Along the Right of Way blog, shows a forty-foot single door boxcar with end doors:

 

http://thecourier.typepad.com/.a/6a00d834ca83d669e2019b0395de91970c-pi

 

Was this an uncommon design?

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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Along the Right of Way blog: http://thecourier.typepad.com/alongtherightofway/


Paul Doggett <paul.doggett2472@...>
 

I am pretty sure Sunshine did a model of the NKP car. Also notice the car to it’s right is an SP GS gondola.

Paul Doggett UK 🇬🇧 

On Sunday, December 17, 2017, 9:24 am, Garth Groff sarahsan@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Bob,

40' end-door auto cars were not all that common, though certainly not rare. I'm not an NKP maven, but I would suggest from the side sill treatment and the fishbelly underframe that this car is a rebuilt single-sheathed car. Perhaps someone else can confirm this.

Look at the car number though: 4321!

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 12/16/17 9:14 PM, thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

This photo, from Along the Right of Way blog, shows a forty-foot single door boxcar with end doors:

 

http://thecourier.typepad.com/.a/6a00d834ca83d669e2019b0395de91970c-pi

 

Was this an uncommon design?

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

++++

Along the Right of Way blog: http://thecourier.typepad.com/alongtherightofway/


al_brown03
 

Sunshine kit #64.8.

From Sunshine PDS #64A: NKP 4300-4399 were rebuilt from double-sheathed boxcars in 1947-48 as NKP 25000-25099; the end door was to facilitate loading racks of auto parts. They were renumbered NKP 4300-4399 in 1949 on the occasion of the W&LE lease (I think because W&LE had cars in the 25000 series).

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

Paul Doggett <paul.doggett2472@...>
 

Yes I have just found the one I have built.

Paul Doggett UK 🇬🇧 


On 17 Dec 2017, at 13:33, abrown@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Sunshine kit #64.8.

From Sunshine PDS #64A: NKP 4300-4399 were rebuilt from double-sheathed boxcars in 1947-48 as NKP 25000-25099; the end door was to facilitate loading racks of auto parts. They were renumbered NKP 4300-4399 in 1949 on the occasion of the W&LE lease (I think because W&LE had cars in the 25000 series).

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

Ray Breyer
 

It's a rebuild double sheathed car actually; the NKP only ever owned 1,200 single sheathed cars (1,000 Fowlers and 200 war emergency cars).

Auto boxcars with end doors aren't rare. Ones with single side doors are.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Sunday, December 17, 2017, 3:24:41 AM CST, Garth Groff sarahsan@... [STMFC] wrote:




Bob,

40' end-door auto cars were not all that common, though certainly not rare. I'm not an NKP maven, but I would suggest from the side sill treatment and the fishbelly underframe that this car is a rebuilt single-sheathed car. Perhaps someone else can confirm this.

Look at the car number though: 4321!

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 12/16/17 9:14 PM, thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

This photo, from Along the Right of Way blog, shows a forty-foot single door boxcar with end doors:

 

http://thecourier.typepad.com/.a/6a00d834ca83d669e2019b0395de91970c-pi

 

Was this an uncommon design?

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

++++

Along the Right of Way blog: http://thecourier.typepad.com/alongtherightofway/




rwitt_2000
 

Paul Doggett wrote "Also notice the car to it’s right is an SP GS gondola".

You can tell from the side sill and sill step that it's a Southern Pacific GS?

How about the Soo Line?

Bob Witt

Paul Doggett <paul.doggett2472@...>
 

Fair comment.

On Sunday, December 17, 2017, 5:10 pm, rwitt_2000@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Paul Doggett wrote "Also notice the car to it’s right is an SP GS gondola".


You can tell from the side sill and sill step that it's a Southern Pacific GS?

How about the Soo Line?

Bob Witt

rwitt_2000
 

I found another image on Fallen Flags site which shows the underframe well, but not the ends.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nkp/nkp04303lba.jpg

Bob Witt

Tony Thompson
 

Lots of people, including SP, bought the Enterprise GS gondola design.

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Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <rwitt_2000@...> wrote :

Paul Doggett wrote "Also notice the car to it’s right is an SP GS gondola".

You can tell from the side sill and sill step that it's a Southern Pacific GS?

How about the Soo Line?

Bob Witt
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Yeah, actually, you can. Not Soo Line. Anyway, the top serif of the U in Southern just shows in the image.

Dennis Storzek

Tim O'Connor
 


exceedingly uncommon... first time I've ever seen one on a forty foot
single door box car.

Tim O'Connor




This photo, from Along the Right of Way blog, shows a forty-foot single door boxcar with end doors:
http://thecourier.typepad.com/.a/6a00d834ca83d669e2019b0395de91970c-pi
Was this an uncommon design?
Bob Chaparro