F.G.E.X. Refrigerator build


frograbbit602
 

I have finished Westerfield Fruit Growers Express ventilated ice-bunker refrigerator, kit number 1661.  I have posted the photos and writeup to my blog I started to share photos and writeup on rolling stock, etc. of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following:



Lester Breuer



Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
 

Lester,

Is the Westerfield car a flat kit or a single body? I'd like one of these cars but I have never had much luck building flat kits. My former resin car builder is made at me so he probably won't help me out!

Nice cars, by the way!

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Friday, February 2, 2018, 11:06:36 AM CST, frograbbit602@... [STMFC]


 

I have finished Westerfield Fruit Growers Express ventilated ice-bunker refrigerator, kit number 1661.  I have posted the photos and writeup to my blog I started to share photos and writeup on rolling stock, etc. of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following:



Lester Breuer



frograbbit602
 

Roger asked, “Is the Westerfield car a flat kit or a single body? ”

Kit 11661, is a one well cast one piece body.

Lester Breuer


Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
 

Thanks, Lester.

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Friday, February 2, 2018, 3:39:50 PM CST, frograbbit602@... [STMFC] wrote:


 

Roger asked, “Is the Westerfield car a flat kit or a single body? ”


Kit 11661, is a one well cast one piece body.

Lester Breuer


O Fenton Wells
 

I believe that you can buy it either way check the Westerfield web site


On Feb 2, 2018, at 4:39 PM, frograbbit602@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Roger asked, “Is the Westerfield car a flat kit or a single body? ”


Kit 11661, is a one well cast one piece body.

Lester Breuer


dahminator68
 

Hello.  Actually, the #11600 Series Kits are only available with One-Piece bodies.

Thank you,
Andrew Dahm
Westerfieldmodels@...

On Friday, February 2, 2018, 3:15 PM, Srrfan1401 srrfan1401@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

I believe that you can buy it either way check the Westerfield web site


On Feb 2, 2018, at 4:39 PM, frograbbit602@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Roger asked, “Is the Westerfield car a flat kit or a single body? ”


Kit 11661, is a one well cast one piece body.

Lester Breuer


Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
 

Thanks for that clarification. Is the one piece resin as brittle as the flat kit material?

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Friday, February 2, 2018, 6:43:58 PM CST, Andrew Dahm dahminator68@... [STMFC] wrote:


 

Hello.  Actually, the #11600 Series Kits are only available with One-Piece bodies.


Thank you,
Andrew Dahm
Westerfieldmodels@...



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On Friday, February 2, 2018, 3:15 PM, Srrfan1401 srrfan1401@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

I believe that you can buy it either way check the Westerfield web site


On Feb 2, 2018, at 4:39 PM, frograbbit602@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Roger asked, “Is the Westerfield car a flat kit or a single body? ”


Kit 11661, is a one well cast one piece body.

Lester Breuer


Bill Welch
 

That brittle material has not been used by Westerfield for over 30 years now Roger.

Bill Welch


Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
 

Thanks, Bill.  That was about my last experience with resin cars and I filed them away under the "never again" category! Way back I tried a Westerfield and an F&C and it was frustrating to say the least. I have heard they were much more user friendly now. Unfortunately the past experience was so poor it has kept me from having some very unique rolling stock. I'm still not convinced I want to spend the money on them and experiment myself. 

I had a very good builder but he got his feelings hurt or something and so that avenue is closed, I guess. Maybe I can find another builder who can produce quality work for me. Does anyone know of a builder who can assemble resin cars without large sloppy glue deposits and have things aligned straight and true?

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Friday, February 2, 2018, 8:18:51 PM CST, fgexbill@... [STMFC] wrote:


 

That brittle material has not been used by Westerfield for over 30 years now Roger.


Bill Welch


Craig Zeni
 

On Feb 2, 2018, at 7:52 PM, STMFC@yahoogroups.com wrote:

1e. Re: F.G.E.X. Refrigerator build
Posted by: "Roger Huber" trainpainter@yahoo.com trainpainter
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2018 4:48 pm ((PST))

Thanks for that clarification. Is the one piece resin as brittle as the flat kit material?
Roger HuberDeer Creek Locomotive Works
The dark grey brittle epoxy resin hasn't been used by Westerfield in many many years. The flat kits went to the softer, flexible, lighter grey urethane resin years ago


Craig Zeni
Cary NC


Bill Welch
 

I think there are names of builders on the Westerfield website and Pierre Oliver who hangs out here is an excellent custom/commercial builder. He can be found here: http://www.elgincarshops.com/

Bill Welch


vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Roger,
 
there is Southeast Scale Models by Michael Stamey. Here is an example:
 
https://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/090372/HO-Built-Up-Model-Southeast-Scale-Models-from-Westerfield-3802-ACL-Atlantic-Coast-Line-USRA-Boxcar-Box-Car-46824-Pro-Paint
 
I have two cars built by him and I am very pleased by his work. From time to time you can find his offerings at ebay.
 
Best Regards
 
Johannes
 
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Thanks, Bill.  That was about my last experience with resin cars and I filed them away under the "never again" category! Way back I tried a Westerfield and an F&C and it was frustrating to say the least. I have heard they were much more user friendly now. Unfortunately the past experience was so poor it has kept me from having some very unique rolling stock. I'm still not convinced I want to spend the money on them and experiment myself. 
 
I had a very good builder but he got his feelings hurt or something and so that avenue is closed, I guess. Maybe I can find another builder who can produce quality work for me. Does anyone know of a builder who can assemble resin cars without large sloppy glue deposits and have things aligned straight and true?
 
Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works
 
 

On Friday, February 2, 2018, 8:18:51 PM CST, fgexbill@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
 
 

That brittle material has not been used by Westerfield for over 30 years now Roger.

 
Bill Welch
 

 


Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
 

Johannes,

Thanks for the info. That's a very nice looking model.

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Saturday, February 3, 2018, 5:56:22 AM CST, j.markwart@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


 

Hello Roger,
 
there is Southeast Scale Models by Michael Stamey. Here is an example:
 
https://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/090372/HO-Built-Up-Model-Southeast-Scale-Models-from-Westerfield-3802-ACL-Atlantic-Coast-Line-USRA-Boxcar-Box-Car-46824-Pro-Paint
 
I have two cars built by him and I am very pleased by his work. From time to time you can find his offerings at ebay.
 
Best Regards
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Samstag, 03. Februar 2018 um 03:35 Uhr
Von: "Roger Huber trainpainter@... [STMFC]"
An: "fgexbill@... [STMFC]"
Betreff: Re: [STMFC] F.G.E.X. Refrigerator build
 

 

Thanks, Bill.  That was about my last experience with resin cars and I filed them away under the "never again" category! Way back I tried a Westerfield and an F&C and it was frustrating to say the least. I have heard they were much more user friendly now. Unfortunately the past experience was so poor it has kept me from having some very unique rolling stock. I'm still not convinced I want to spend the money on them and experiment myself. 
 
I had a very good builder but he got his feelings hurt or something and so that avenue is closed, I guess. Maybe I can find another builder who can produce quality work for me. Does anyone know of a builder who can assemble resin cars without large sloppy glue deposits and have things aligned straight and true?
 
Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works
 
 
On Friday, February 2, 2018, 8:18:51 PM CST, fgexbill@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
 
 

That brittle material has not been used by Westerfield for over 30 years now Roger.

 
Bill Welch
 

 


dahminator68
 

Hello Roger.  We use polyurethane resin to make all of our castings.  Brittle is not a word that I would use with polyurethane.
It is likely you are thinking of the early resin kits from the '80s that were made from dark polyester resin.  That stuff is like glass.
Polyurethane compares to styrene in many ways but must be glued with ACC.

Thank you,
Andrew Dahm
westerfieldmodels@...

On Friday, February 2, 2018, 4:49 PM, Roger Huber trainpainter@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Thanks for that clarification. Is the one piece resin as brittle as the flat kit material?

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Friday, February 2, 2018, 6:43:58 PM CST, Andrew Dahm dahminator68@... [STMFC] wrote:


 

Hello.  Actually, the #11600 Series Kits are only available with One-Piece bodies.


Thank you,
Andrew Dahm
Westerfieldmodels@...



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On Friday, February 2, 2018, 3:15 PM, Srrfan1401 srrfan1401@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

I believe that you can buy it either way check the Westerfield web site


On Feb 2, 2018, at 4:39 PM, frograbbit602@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Roger asked, “Is the Westerfield car a flat kit or a single body? ”


Kit 11661, is a one well cast one piece body.

Lester Breuer


Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
 

Andrew,

Thanks. As has been pointed out by a couple members I'm "living in the past" with my resin car experience. Indeed my experience was in the earlier years with flat kits by Westerfield and F&C and they were just not suitable for me. I just had a hard time and they shattered and were just sot of nasty things. I haven't tried any since then and obviously it's a shame as I've limited my freight car roster.

The resin companies offer so many unique and interesting cars. I had one fellow that was building cars for me and that somehow stopped. So maybe with all the good information I've been getting I may try some resin cars.

I also seem to remember guys saying the earlier resins also were difficult to make paint adhere to. I guess the new polyurethene material has cured that issue too. 

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Saturday, February 3, 2018, 10:31:42 AM CST, Andrew Dahm dahminator68@... [STMFC] wrote:


 

Hello Roger.  We use polyurethane resin to make all of our castings.  Brittle is not a word that I would use with polyurethane.

It is likely you are thinking of the early resin kits from the '80s that were made from dark polyester resin.  That stuff is like glass.
Polyurethane compares to styrene in many ways but must be glued with ACC.

Thank you,
Andrew Dahm
westerfieldmodels@...



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On Friday, February 2, 2018, 4:49 PM, Roger Huber trainpainter@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Thanks for that clarification. Is the one piece resin as brittle as the flat kit material?

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Friday, February 2, 2018, 6:43:58 PM CST, Andrew Dahm dahminator68@... [STMFC] wrote:


 

Hello.  Actually, the #11600 Series Kits are only available with One-Piece bodies.


Thank you,
Andrew Dahm
Westerfieldmodels@...



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On Friday, February 2, 2018, 3:15 PM, Srrfan1401 srrfan1401@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

I believe that you can buy it either way check the Westerfield web site


On Feb 2, 2018, at 4:39 PM, frograbbit602@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Roger asked, “Is the Westerfield car a flat kit or a single body? ”


Kit 11661, is a one well cast one piece body.

Lester Breuer


Bruce Smith
 

​Roger,


When properly prepared (washed in Dawn or similar detergent and grit blasted) these cars take all sorts of paints well.  However, there are still issues.  Several folks have had issues with TruColor paints on resin. I have had no issue with Scalecoat, Poly Scale, Vallejo, and Model Master paints with no issues.


Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL



From: STMFC@... on behalf of Roger Huber trainpainter@... [STMFC]
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 10:45 AM
To: Andrew Dahm dahminator68@... [STMFC]
Subject: Re: [STMFC] F.G.E.X. Refrigerator build
 


Andrew,

Thanks. As has been pointed out by a couple members I'm "living in the past" with my resin car experience. Indeed my experience was in the earlier years with flat kits by Westerfield and F&C and they were just not suitable for me. I just had a hard time and they shattered and were just sot of nasty things. I haven't tried any since then and obviously it's a shame as I've limited my freight car roster.

The resin companies offer so many unique and interesting cars. I had one fellow that was building cars for me and that somehow stopped. So maybe with all the good information I've been getting I may try some resin cars.

I also seem to remember guys saying the earlier resins also were difficult to make paint adhere to. I guess the new polyurethene material has cured that issue too. 

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Saturday, February 3, 2018, 10:31:42 AM CST, Andrew Dahm dahminator68@... [STMFC] wrote:


 

Hello Roger.  We use polyurethane resin to make all of our castings.  Brittle is not a word that I would use with polyurethane.

It is likely you are thinking of the early resin kits from the '80s that were made from dark polyester resin.  That stuff is like glass.
Polyurethane compares to styrene in many ways but must be glued with ACC.

Thank you,
Andrew Dahm
westerfieldmodels@...



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On Friday, February 2, 2018, 4:49 PM, Roger Huber trainpainter@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Thanks for that clarification. Is the one piece resin as brittle as the flat kit material?

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Friday, February 2, 2018, 6:43:58 PM CST, Andrew Dahm dahminator68@... [STMFC] wrote:


 

Hello.  Actually, the #11600 Series Kits are only available with One-Piece bodies.


Thank you,
Andrew Dahm
Westerfieldmodels@...



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On Friday, February 2, 2018, 3:15 PM, Srrfan1401 srrfan1401@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

I believe that you can buy it either way check the Westerfield web site


On Feb 2, 2018, at 4:39 PM, frograbbit602@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Roger asked, “Is the Westerfield car a flat kit or a single body? ”


Kit 11661, is a one well cast one piece body.

Lester Breuer




Bill Welch
 

. . .and I have had no issues with Badger's Modelflex on the 400 or so resin kits I have built including several "early" kits.

Bill Welch


Al Kresse <water.kresse@...>
 

Who has the proto photos of the FGE company built insulated box cars? I unfortunately sent mine to Patrick O'Boyle years ago hoping for a copy of his to be published book.

Al Kresse

On February 3, 2018 at 9:29 PM "'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

​Roger,


When properly prepared (washed in Dawn or similar detergent and grit blasted) these cars take all sorts of paints well.  However, there are still issues.  Several folks have had issues with TruColor paints on resin. I have had no issue with Scalecoat, Poly Scale, Vallejo, and Model Master paints with no issues.


Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL



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Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 10:45 AM
To: Andrew Dahm dahminator68@... [STMFC]
Subject: Re: [STMFC] F.G.E.X. Refrigerator build
 


Andrew,

Thanks. As has been pointed out by a couple members I'm "living in the past" with my resin car experience. Indeed my experience was in the earlier years with flat kits by Westerfield and F&C and they were just not suitable for me. I just had a hard time and they shattered and were just sot of nasty things. I haven't tried any since then and obviously it's a shame as I've limited my freight car roster.

The resin companies offer so many unique and interesting cars. I had one fellow that was building cars for me and that somehow stopped. So maybe with all the good information I've been getting I may try some resin cars.

I also seem to remember guys saying the earlier resins also were difficult to make paint adhere to. I guess the new polyurethene material has cured that issue too. 

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Saturday, February 3, 2018, 10:31:42 AM CST, Andrew Dahm dahminator68@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


 

Hello Roger.  We use polyurethane resin to make all of our castings.  Brittle is not a word that I would use with polyurethane.

It is likely you are thinking of the early resin kits from the '80s that were made from dark polyester resin.  That stuff is like glass.
Polyurethane compares to styrene in many ways but must be glued with ACC.

Thank you,
Andrew Dahm
westerfieldmodels@...



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On Friday, February 2, 2018, 4:49 PM, Roger Huber trainpainter@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Thanks for that clarification. Is the one piece resin as brittle as the flat kit material?

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Friday, February 2, 2018, 6:43:58 PM CST, Andrew Dahm dahminator68@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


 

Hello.  Actually, the #11600 Series Kits are only available with One-Piece bodies.


Thank you,
Andrew Dahm
Westerfieldmodels@...



Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Friday, February 2, 2018, 3:15 PM, Srrfan1401 srrfan1401@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

I believe that you can buy it either way check the Westerfield web site


On Feb 2, 2018, at 4:39 PM, frograbbit602@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Roger asked, “Is the Westerfield car a flat kit or a single body? ”


Kit 11661, is a one well cast one piece body.

Lester Breuer




 

 


Tony Thompson
 

Several folks have had issues with TruColor paints on resin. 


     On primed resin, no problem. On unprimed resin, literally no adhesion at all, even when carefully washed first.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
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Publishers of books on railroad history






Tim O'Connor
 


Absolutely - you can peel it off it you don't prime. But so what? Primer
is easy, and AP/Star/TruColor primers dry in minutes. You can prime and paint
multiple colors in an evening. One of the reasons I love them.

Tim O'Connor



Several folks have had issues with TruColor paints on resin.

     On primed resin, no problem. On unprimed resin, literally no adhesion at all, even when carefully washed first.

Tony Thompson