F.G.E.X. Refrigerator build
|
frograbbit602
I have finished Westerfield Fruit Growers Express ventilated ice-bunker refrigerator, kit number 1661. I have posted the photos and writeup to my blog I started to share photos and writeup on rolling stock, etc. of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company. If you would like to take a look please do at the following: Lester Breuer |
|
|
|
Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
Lester, Is the Westerfield car a flat kit or a single body? I'd like one of these cars but I have never had much luck building flat kits. My former resin car builder is made at me so he probably won't help me out! Nice cars, by the way! Roger Huber Deer Creek Locomotive Works
On Friday, February 2, 2018, 11:06:36 AM CST, frograbbit602@... [STMFC]
I have finished Westerfield Fruit Growers Express ventilated ice-bunker refrigerator, kit number 1661. I have posted the photos and writeup to my blog I started to share photos and writeup on rolling stock, etc. of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company. If you would like to take a look please do at the following: Lester Breuer |
|
|
|
frograbbit602
Roger asked, “Is the Westerfield car a flat kit or a single body? ”
Kit 11661, is a one well cast one piece body. Lester Breuer |
|
|
|
Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
Thanks, Lester. Roger Huber Deer Creek Locomotive Works
On Friday, February 2, 2018, 3:39:50 PM CST, frograbbit602@... [STMFC] wrote:
Roger asked, “Is the Westerfield car a flat kit or a single body? ” Kit 11661, is a one well cast one piece body. Lester Breuer |
|
|
|
I believe that you can buy it either way check the Westerfield web site
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
On Feb 2, 2018, at 4:39 PM, frograbbit602@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
|
|
|
|
dahminator68
Hello. Actually, the #11600 Series Kits are only available with One-Piece bodies.
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
Thank you, Andrew Dahm Westerfieldmodels@... On Friday, February 2, 2018, 3:15 PM, Srrfan1401 srrfan1401@... [STMFC] wrote:
|
|
|
|
Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
Thanks for that clarification. Is the one piece resin as brittle as the flat kit material? Roger Huber Deer Creek Locomotive Works
On Friday, February 2, 2018, 6:43:58 PM CST, Andrew Dahm dahminator68@... [STMFC] wrote:
Hello. Actually, the #11600 Series Kits are only available with One-Piece bodies. Thank you, Andrew Dahm Westerfieldmodels@... On Friday, February 2, 2018, 3:15 PM, Srrfan1401 srrfan1401@... [STMFC] wrote:
|
|
|
|
Bill Welch
That brittle material has not been used by Westerfield for over 30 years now Roger.
Bill Welch |
|
|
|
Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
Thanks, Bill. That was about my last experience with resin cars and I filed them away under the "never again" category! Way back I tried a Westerfield and an F&C and it was frustrating to say the least. I have heard they were much more user friendly now. Unfortunately the past experience was so poor it has kept me from having some very unique rolling stock. I'm still not convinced I want to spend the money on them and experiment myself. I had a very good builder but he got his feelings hurt or something and so that avenue is closed, I guess. Maybe I can find another builder who can produce quality work for me. Does anyone know of a builder who can assemble resin cars without large sloppy glue deposits and have things aligned straight and true? Roger Huber Deer Creek Locomotive Works
On Friday, February 2, 2018, 8:18:51 PM CST, fgexbill@... [STMFC] wrote:
That brittle material has not been used by Westerfield for over 30 years now Roger. Bill Welch
|
|
|
|
On Feb 2, 2018, at 7:52 PM, STMFC@... wrote:
1e. Re: F.G.E.X. Refrigerator buildThe dark grey brittle epoxy resin hasn't been used by Westerfield in many many years. The flat kits went to the softer, flexible, lighter grey urethane resin years ago Craig Zeni Cary NC |
|
|
|
Bill Welch
I think there are names of builders on the Westerfield website and Pierre Oliver who hangs out here is an excellent custom/commercial builder. He can be found here: http://www.elgincarshops.com/
Bill Welch |
|
|
|
vapeurchapelon
Hello Roger,
there is Southeast Scale Models by Michael Stamey. Here is an example:
https://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/090372/HO-Built-Up-Model-Southeast-Scale-Models-from-Westerfield-3802-ACL-Atlantic-Coast-Line-USRA-Boxcar-Box-Car-46824-Pro-Paint
I have two cars built by him and I am very pleased by his work. From time to time you can find his offerings at ebay.
Best Regards
Johannes
Gesendet: Samstag, 03. Februar 2018 um 03:35 Uhr
Von: "Roger Huber trainpainter@... [STMFC]" An: "fgexbill@... [STMFC]" Betreff: Re: [STMFC] F.G.E.X. Refrigerator build
Thanks, Bill. That was about my last experience with resin cars and I filed them away under the "never again" category! Way back I tried a Westerfield and an F&C and it was frustrating to say the least. I have heard they were much more user friendly now. Unfortunately the past experience was so poor it has kept me from having some very unique rolling stock. I'm still not convinced I want to spend the money on them and experiment myself.
I had a very good builder but he got his feelings hurt or something and so that avenue is closed, I guess. Maybe I can find another builder who can produce quality work for me. Does anyone know of a builder who can assemble resin cars without large sloppy glue deposits and have things aligned straight and true?
Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works
On Friday, February 2, 2018, 8:18:51 PM CST, fgexbill@... [STMFC] wrote:
That brittle material has not been used by Westerfield for over 30 years now Roger. Bill Welch
|
|
|
|
Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
Johannes, Thanks for the info. That's a very nice looking model. Roger Huber Deer Creek Locomotive Works
On Saturday, February 3, 2018, 5:56:22 AM CST, j.markwart@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
Hello Roger,
there is Southeast Scale Models by Michael Stamey. Here is an example:
https://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/090372/HO-Built-Up-Model-Southeast-Scale-Models-from-Westerfield-3802-ACL-Atlantic-Coast-Line-USRA-Boxcar-Box-Car-46824-Pro-Paint
I have two cars built by him and I am very pleased by his work. From time to time you can find his offerings at ebay.
Best Regards
Johannes
Gesendet: Samstag, 03. Februar 2018 um 03:35 Uhr
Von: "Roger Huber trainpainter@... [STMFC]" An: "fgexbill@... [STMFC]" Betreff: Re: [STMFC] F.G.E.X. Refrigerator build
Thanks, Bill. That was about my last experience with resin cars and I filed them away under the "never again" category! Way back I tried a Westerfield and an F&C and it was frustrating to say the least. I have heard they were much more user friendly now. Unfortunately the past experience was so poor it has kept me from having some very unique rolling stock. I'm still not convinced I want to spend the money on them and experiment myself.
I had a very good builder but he got his feelings hurt or something and so that avenue is closed, I guess. Maybe I can find another builder who can produce quality work for me. Does anyone know of a builder who can assemble resin cars without large sloppy glue deposits and have things aligned straight and true?
Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works
On Friday, February 2, 2018, 8:18:51 PM CST, fgexbill@... [STMFC] wrote:
That brittle material has not been used by Westerfield for over 30 years now Roger. Bill Welch
|
|
|
|
dahminator68
Hello Roger. We use polyurethane resin to make all of our castings. Brittle is not a word that I would use with polyurethane.
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
It is likely you are thinking of the early resin kits from the '80s that were made from dark polyester resin. That stuff is like glass. Polyurethane compares to styrene in many ways but must be glued with ACC. Thank you, Andrew Dahm westerfieldmodels@... On Friday, February 2, 2018, 4:49 PM, Roger Huber trainpainter@... [STMFC] wrote:
|
|
|
|
Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
Andrew, Thanks. As has been pointed out by a couple members I'm "living in the past" with my resin car experience. Indeed my experience was in the earlier years with flat kits by Westerfield and F&C and they were just not suitable for me. I just had a hard time and they shattered and were just sot of nasty things. I haven't tried any since then and obviously it's a shame as I've limited my freight car roster. The resin companies offer so many unique and interesting cars. I had one fellow that was building cars for me and that somehow stopped. So maybe with all the good information I've been getting I may try some resin cars. I also seem to remember guys saying the earlier resins also were difficult to make paint adhere to. I guess the new polyurethene material has cured that issue too. Roger Huber Deer Creek Locomotive Works
On Saturday, February 3, 2018, 10:31:42 AM CST, Andrew Dahm dahminator68@... [STMFC] wrote:
Hello Roger. We use polyurethane resin to make all of our castings. Brittle is not a word that I would use with polyurethane. It is likely you are thinking of the early resin kits from the '80s that were made from dark polyester resin. That stuff is like glass. Polyurethane compares to styrene in many ways but must be glued with ACC. Thank you, Andrew Dahm westerfieldmodels@... On Friday, February 2, 2018, 4:49 PM, Roger Huber trainpainter@... [STMFC] wrote:
|
|
|
|
Roger,
When properly prepared (washed in Dawn or similar detergent and grit blasted) these cars take all sorts of paints well. However, there are still issues. Several folks have had issues with TruColor paints on resin. I have had no issue with Scalecoat, Poly
Scale, Vallejo, and Model Master paints with no issues.
Regards Bruce Smith Auburn, AL
From: STMFC@... on behalf of Roger Huber trainpainter@... [STMFC]
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 10:45 AM To: Andrew Dahm dahminator68@... [STMFC] Subject: Re: [STMFC] F.G.E.X. Refrigerator build Andrew,
Thanks. As has been pointed out by a couple members I'm "living in the past" with my resin car experience. Indeed my experience was in the earlier years with flat kits by Westerfield and F&C and they were just not suitable for me. I just had a hard time
and they shattered and were just sot of nasty things. I haven't tried any since then and obviously it's a shame as I've limited my freight car roster.
The resin companies offer so many unique and interesting cars. I had one fellow that was building cars for me and that somehow stopped. So maybe with all the good information I've been getting I may try some resin cars.
I also seem to remember guys saying the earlier resins also were difficult to make paint adhere to. I guess the new polyurethene material has cured that issue too.
Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works
On Saturday, February 3, 2018, 10:31:42 AM CST, Andrew Dahm dahminator68@... [STMFC] wrote:
Hello Roger. We use polyurethane resin to make all of our castings. Brittle is not a word that I would use with polyurethane. It is likely you are thinking of the early resin kits from the '80s that were made from dark polyester resin. That stuff is like glass.
Polyurethane compares to styrene in many ways but must be glued with ACC.
Thank you,
Andrew Dahm
westerfieldmodels@...
Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Friday, February 2, 2018, 4:49 PM, Roger Huber trainpainter@... [STMFC] wrote:
|
|
|
|
Bill Welch
. . .and I have had no issues with Badger's Modelflex on the 400 or so resin kits I have built including several "early" kits.
Bill Welch |
|
|
|
Al Kresse <water.kresse@...>
Who has the proto photos of the FGE company built insulated box cars? I unfortunately sent mine to Patrick O'Boyle years ago hoping for a copy of his to be published book.
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
Al Kresse On February 3, 2018 at 9:29 PM "'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote: |
|
|
|
Tony Thompson
On primed resin, no problem. On unprimed resin, literally no adhesion at all, even when carefully washed first. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
|
|
|
Absolutely - you can peel it off it you don't prime. But so what? Primer is easy, and AP/Star/TruColor primers dry in minutes. You can prime and paint multiple colors in an evening. One of the reasons I love them. Tim O'Connor Several folks have had issues with TruColor paints on resin. |
|
|