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Erie 82500-83199 Series Box Car Question

Nelson Moyer
 

I’m building a Branchline Postwar 10 panel 50 ton steel box car from the 82500-83199 series. I’ve found everything I need for this car series except a photo showing the location of the placard and routing card boards, and the color of the trucks, i.e. black or car body color. If anyone knows of a photo, I’d like the reference or the photo.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

 

Allan Smith <smithal9@...>
 

THE WEB SITE FALLEN FLAGS.ORG  HAS 6-7 PHOTOS OF THE ERIE SERIES 82500-83199 THERE IS EVEN AN END SHOT.

Al Smith
Sonora CA


On Sunday, February 4, 2018 4:00 PM, "Nelson Moyer npmoyer@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
I’m building a Branchline Postwar 10 panel 50 ton steel box car from the 82500-83199 series. I’ve found everything I need for this car series except a photo showing the location of the placard and routing card boards, and the color of the trucks, i.e. black or car body color. If anyone knows of a photo, I’d like the reference or the photo.
 
Nelson Moyer
 
 


Schuyler Larrabee
 

Nelson, look at these:



http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie82525adb.
jpg

and

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie82525bdb.
jpg



Schuyler



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Question





I'm building a Branchline Postwar 10 panel 50 ton
steel box car from the 82500-83199 series. I've
found everything I need for this car series except
a photo showing the location of the placard and
routing card boards, and the color of the trucks,
i.e. black or car body color. If anyone knows of a
photo, I'd like the reference or the photo.



Nelson Moyer

Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks for the link. Another responder sent them off list, and they’re beautiful.

 

The brake step looks like it’s wood with steel strap around it, and probably steel on top. It’s clearly not Apex. I can’t tell for sure, but it looks like the roof may be unpainted. If it’s painted, did Erie paint the Apex running board of leave it unpainted? I presume if the roof is unpainted, the running board would also be unpainted. The photos confirmed that first 200 cars had Ajax power hand brakes and National B trucks, and from the photo, they’re black.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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Robert Heninger
 

Nelson,

Actually, in 1946 I'd be very surprised to see a boxcar built new with a wood platform. I can clearly see the serrated edges and crossbars typical of an Apex brake step. The running board is also Apex.

Of course, if you don't believe me, you can go to the tables of Postwar AAR boxcar information located at www.steamerafreightcars.com, and click the link for the Postwar AAR cars with 4/4 ends. Ed Hawkins has already answered your questions, with the exception of whether or not the roof was painted. And I don't know the answer to that one. 

People forget about the Steam Era Freight Cars site, and the wonderful information stored there. Ed Hawkins has answered most questions anyone could have about specialties for the 1932 ARA, 1937 AAR, 1942 AAR, Postwar AAR, and PS-1 boxcars.

Regards,
Bob Heninger
Minot, ND

Nelson Moyer
 

I enlarged the photo until it pixilated, and you’re right, it’s Apex. It’s also not painted black, and from what I can see of the running board, it’s not painted either. As for the roof, the few color photos in the fallen flags section are inconclusive. Could be painted, could be paint failure, but probably painted as new.

 

And yes, we/I forget about the SEFC web site, as Ed and you have reminded me. I’ve decided to use Plano Apex brake step and running board, though the opening for the brake staff differs from the photo. I don’t know of an Apex brake step with a round hole in the location shown in the end photo of Erie 82525.

 

Thanks to all who responded to my inquiries.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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Nelson,

 

Actually, in 1946 I'd be very surprised to see a boxcar built new with a wood platform. I can clearly see the serrated edges and crossbars typical of an Apex brake step. The running board is also Apex.

 

Of course, if you don't believe me, you can go to the tables of Postwar AAR boxcar information located at www.steamerafreightcars.com, and click the link for the Postwar AAR cars with 4/4 ends. Ed Hawkins has already answered your questions, with the exception of whether or not the roof was painted. And I don't know the answer to that one. 

 

People forget about the Steam Era Freight Cars site, and the wonderful information stored there. Ed Hawkins has answered most questions anyone could have about specialties for the 1932 ARA, 1937 AAR, 1942 AAR, Postwar AAR, and PS-1 boxcars.

 

Regards,

Bob Heninger

Minot, ND

Tim O'Connor
 


Not to mention that by Jan 1, 1944 wood running boards had been outlawed for new cars.


Actually, in 1946 I'd be very surprised to see a boxcar built new with a wood platform. I can clearly see the serrated edges and crossbars typical of an Apex brake step. The running board is also Apex.

Of course, if you don't believe me, you can go to the tables of Postwar AAR boxcar information located at www.steamerafreightcars.com, and click the link for the Postwar AAR cars with 4/4 ends. Ed Hawkins has already answered your questions, with the exception of whether or not the roof was painted. And I don't know the answer to that one.

People forget about the Steam Era Freight Cars site, and the wonderful information stored there. Ed Hawkins has answered most questions anyone could have about specialties for the 1932 ARA, 1937 AAR, 1942 AAR, Postwar AAR, and PS-1 boxcars.

Regards,
Bob Heninger
Minot, ND

Bill Welch
 

Nelson, I suggest checking the Branchline kit door to make sure it is correct.

Bill Welch

Nelson Moyer
 

I hadn’t gotten to the doors yet, so thanks for the heads up. The kit doors are indeed incorrect.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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Nelson, I suggest checking the Branchline kit door to make sure it is correct.

 

Bill Welch

Bill Welch
 

I think Southwest Models has the doors you will need. Suggest you reach out to Andy Carlson for these.

Bill Welch

Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks, Bill. I did a search, and other possible sources are Westerfield and Red Caboose (if they’re still out there somewhere). I’ll contact Andy and see what he’s got. I’ve purchased from him previously.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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I think Southwest Models has the doors you will need. Suggest you reach out to Andy Carlson for these.

 

Bill Welch

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Nelson, you ask questions about painting and accessories.



ERIE box cars were usually delivered with BCR sides, but black roof, ends and underbody. The black roof and ends were, I believe, along with a few others who have researched this, a coating of car cement. Roofwalks appear to not be painted when delivered. However, once the ERIE repainted box cars, they appeared not to retain the black roof and ends, simply painting everything (including the roofwalks.



Per the ERIE 1952 Diagram book*, these cars were built by ACF, June ’46 to September ’46.

Note 1 says “Cars 82500-83199 equipped with Murphy Improved Solid Steel (roofs) with No. 14 Ga. Armco Zincgrip – paintgrip roof sheets



Car 82619 has Youngstown all welded steel sides.



Hand brake

82500-82899 – Ajax

82900-83199 – Universal



Trucks

82500-82799 – “Dual Control”

82800-82899 – ASF A-3 Ride Control

82900-83099 – Barber S-2 Stabilized

83100-83199 – Railway Truck Corp’n snub up



Running Boards and brake steps

82500-82899 – Apex Tri-lok metal

82900-83199 – US Gypsum Co.



The prototype police will be examining your work, Nelson! 😊



Schuyler



*This diagram book is available from the ERIE LACKAWANNA HISTORICAL SOCIETY.



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Thanks for the link. Another responder sent them off list, and they’re beautiful.



The brake step looks like it’s wood with steel strap around it, and probably steel on top. It’s clearly not Apex. I can’t tell for sure, but it looks like the roof may be unpainted. If it’s painted, did Erie paint the Apex running board of leave it unpainted? I presume if the roof is unpainted, the running board would also be unpainted. The photos confirmed that first 200 cars had Ajax power hand brakes and National B trucks, and from the photo, they’re black.



Nelson Moyer



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Nelson, look at these:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie82525adb.
jpg

and

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie82525bdb.
jpg

Schuyler








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pennsylvania1954
 

The Erie Freight Car Diagram Book is also available on Fallen Flags:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie-frt-book.html

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL

On 02/05/2018 09:43 PM, 'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC] wrote:
Nelson, you ask questions about painting and accessories.


ERIE box cars were usually delivered with BCR sides, but black roof, ends and underbody. The black roof and ends were, I believe, along with a few others who have researched this, a coating of car cement. Roofwalks appear to not be painted when delivered. However, once the ERIE repainted box cars, they appeared not to retain the black roof and ends, simply painting everything (including the roofwalks.


Per the ERIE 1952 Diagram book*, these cars were built by ACF, June ’46 to September ’46.

Note 1 says “Cars 82500-83199 equipped with Murphy Improved Solid Steel (roofs) with No. 14 Ga. Armco Zincgrip – paintgrip roof sheets


Car 82619 has Youngstown all welded steel sides.


Hand brake

82500-82899 – Ajax

82900-83199 – Universal


Trucks

82500-82799 – “Dual Control”

82800-82899 – ASF A-3 Ride Control

82900-83099 – Barber S-2 Stabilized

83100-83199 – Railway Truck Corp’n snub up


Running Boards and brake steps

82500-82899 – Apex Tri-lok metal

82900-83199 – US Gypsum Co.


The prototype police will be examining your work, Nelson! 😊


Schuyler


*This diagram book is available from the ERIE LACKAWANNA HISTORICAL SOCIETY..


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To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Erie 82500-83199 Series Box Car Question



Thanks for the link. Another responder sent them off list, and they’re beautiful.


The brake step looks like it’s wood with steel strap around it, and probably steel on top. It’s clearly not Apex. I can’t tell for sure, but it looks like the roof may be unpainted. If it’s painted, did Erie paint the Apex running board of leave it unpainted? I presume if the roof is unpainted, the running board would also be unpainted. The photos confirmed that first 200 cars had Ajax power hand brakes and National B trucks, and from the photo, they’re black.


Nelson Moyer


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Nelson, look at these:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie82525adb.
jpg

and

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie82525bdb.
jpg

Schuyler











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Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks for the details. Interesting that Branchline supplied a BCR roof for a NEW 49 car. I’m thinking that the car would not have been repainted by 1953, so the roof should be black. However, the BCR roof and unpainted Apex running board is already installed. I could remove the running board (used canopy cement), mask and paint the roof, and reinstall the running board, or I can just refrain from posting any photos of the car. The locals are unlikely to know or care about prototype accuracy. That’s what I get for building a plastic kit; I should stick to resin. But, at $10 for the kit, I couldn’t resist adding an Eastern road car to the roster, my only Erie.

 

One other thing, according to Ed’s table on SEFC, the first 300 car of series 82500- had National B-1 trucks. I don’t know if or how that translates to ‘Dual Control’.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

 

 

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Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 9:44 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Erie 82500-83199 Series Box Car Question

 

 

Nelson, you ask questions about painting and accessories.

ERIE box cars were usually delivered with BCR sides, but black roof, ends and underbody. The black roof and ends were, I believe, along with a few others who have researched this, a coating of car cement. Roofwalks appear to not be painted when delivered. However, once the ERIE repainted box cars, they appeared not to retain the black roof and ends, simply painting everything (including the roofwalks.

Per the ERIE 1952 Diagram book*, these cars were built by ACF, June ’46 to September ’46.

Note 1 says “Cars 82500-83199 equipped with Murphy Improved Solid Steel (roofs) with No. 14 Ga. Armco Zincgrip – paintgrip roof sheets

Car 82619 has Youngstown all welded steel sides.

Hand brake

82500-82899 – Ajax

82900-83199 – Universal

Trucks

82500-82799 – “Dual Control”

82800-82899 – ASF A-3 Ride Control

82900-83099 – Barber S-2 Stabilized

83100-83199 – Railway Truck Corp’n snub up

Running Boards and brake steps

82500-82899 – Apex Tri-lok metal

82900-83199 – US Gypsum Co.

The prototype police will be examining your work, Nelson! 😊

Schuyler

*This diagram book is available from the ERIE LACKAWANNA HISTORICAL SOCIETY..

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 10:30 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Erie 82500-83199 Series Box Car Question

Thanks for the link. Another responder sent them off list, and they’re beautiful.

The brake step looks like it’s wood with steel strap around it, and probably steel on top. It’s clearly not Apex. I can’t tell for sure, but it looks like the roof may be unpainted. If it’s painted, did Erie paint the Apex running board of leave it unpainted? I presume if the roof is unpainted, the running board would also be unpainted. The photos confirmed that first 200 cars had Ajax power hand brakes and National B trucks, and from the photo, they’re black.

Nelson Moyer

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Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 10:35 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Erie 82500-83199 Series Box Car Question

Nelson, look at these:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie82525adb.
jpg

and

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie82525bdb.
jpg

Schuyler

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Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks, Steve. I’ve noticed that some historical societies are much better than others about making material available online. Unfortunately, the BRHS isn’t one of them.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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The Erie Freight Car Diagram Book is also available on Fallen Flags:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie-frt-book.html

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL

On 02/05/2018 09:43 PM, 'Schuyler Larrabee'
schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC] wrote:
> Nelson, you ask questions about painting and accessories.
>
>
>
> ERIE box cars were usually delivered with BCR sides, but black roof, ends and underbody. The black roof and ends were, I believe, along with a few others who have researched this, a coating of car cement. Roofwalks appear to not be painted when delivered. However, once the ERIE repainted box cars, they appeared not to retain the black roof and ends, simply painting everything (including the roofwalks.
>
>
>
> Per the ERIE 1952 Diagram book*, these cars were built by ACF, June ’46 to September ’46.
>
> Note 1 says “Cars 82500-83199 equipped with Murphy Improved Solid Steel (roofs) with No. 14 Ga. Armco Zincgrip – paintgrip roof sheets
>
>
>
> Car 82619 has Youngstown all welded steel sides.
>
>
>
> Hand brake
>
> 82500-82899 – Ajax
>
> 82900-83199 – Universal
>
>
>
> Trucks
>
> 82500-82799 – “Dual Control”
>
> 82800-82899 – ASF A-3 Ride Control
>
> 82900-83099 – Barber S-2 Stabilized
>
> 83100-83199 – Railway Truck Corp’n snub up
>
>
>
> Running Boards and brake steps
>
> 82500-82899 – Apex Tri-lok metal
>
> 82900-83199 – US Gypsum Co.
>
>
>
> The prototype police will be examining your work, Nelson! 😊
>
>
>
> Schuyler
>
>
>
> *This diagram book is available from the ERIE LACKAWANNA HISTORICAL SOCIETY..
>
>
>
> From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 10:30 AM
> To: STMFC@...
> Subject: RE: [STMFC] Erie 82500-83199 Series Box Car Question
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for the link. Another responder sent them off list, and they’re beautiful.
>
>
>
> The brake step looks like it’s wood with steel strap around it, and probably steel on top. It’s clearly not Apex. I can’t tell for sure, but it looks like the roof may be unpainted. If it’s painted, did Erie paint the Apex running board of leave it unpainted? I presume if the roof is unpainted, the running board would also be unpainted. The photos confirmed that first 200 cars had Ajax power hand brakes and National B trucks, and from the photo, they’re black.
>
>
>
> Nelson Moyer
>
>
>
> From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 10:35 PM
> To: STMFC@...
> Subject: RE: [STMFC] Erie 82500-83199 Series Box Car Question
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>
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> Nelson, look at these:
>
> http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie82525adb.
> jpg
>
> and
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> http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie82525bdb.
> jpg
>
> Schuyler
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> Yahoo Groups Links
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Ed Hawkins
 


On Feb 6, 2018, at 9:06 AM, Nelson Moyer npmoyer@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Thanks for the details. Interesting that Branchline supplied a BCR roof for a NEW 49 car. I’m thinking that the car would not have been repainted by 1953, so the roof should be black. However, the BCR roof and unpainted Apex running board is already installed. I could remove the running board (used canopy cement), mask and paint the roof, and reinstall the running board, or I can just refrain from posting any photos of the car. The locals are unlikely to know or care about prototype accuracy. That’s what I get for building a plastic kit; I should stick to resin. But, at $10 for the kit, I couldn’t resist adding an Eastern road car to the roster, my only Erie.

 

One other thing, according to Ed’s table on SEFC, the first 300 car of series 82500- had National B-1 trucks. I don’t know if or how that translates to ‘Dual Control’.


Nelson,
In the event that the original paint specs are useful for Erie 82500-83199, the following comes from the ACF bill of materials for the 700 cars built in lot 2862:

DuPont (300)/Pittsburgh (200)/Sherwin-Williams (200) Metallic Brown - sides; black car cement - ends, u/f, roof seam caps, top of side plate; black - brake parts, trucks; white - stencils; black/Dulux Gold - monogram

This document is available for review or for making copies of desired pages at the Barriger National Railroad Library (St. Louis Mercantile Library).

Because the side plate and roof seam caps were black car cement, a photo of the car from a low angle can give a false conclusion that the entire roof was black. A photo from a higher angle would show otherwise.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

Nelson Moyer
 

Wow! This car is getting complicated. Has anyone modeled a roof like that? I’d probably take more flack for adding the black paint to simulate car cement than to leave it the way it is, BCR roof and unpainted Apex running board.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 9:40 AM
To: STMFC@...
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On Feb 6, 2018, at 9:06 AM, Nelson Moyer npmoyer@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:



Thanks for the details. Interesting that Branchline supplied a BCR roof for a NEW 49 car. I’m thinking that the car would not have been repainted by 1953, so the roof should be black. However, the BCR roof and unpainted Apex running board is already installed. I could remove the running board (used canopy cement), mask and paint the roof, and reinstall the running board, or I can just refrain from posting any photos of the car. The locals are unlikely to know or care about prototype accuracy. That’s what I get for building a plastic kit; I should stick to resin. But, at $10 for the kit, I couldn’t resist adding an Eastern road car to the roster, my only Erie.

 

One other thing, according to Ed’s table on SEFC, the first 300 car of series 82500- had National B-1 trucks. I don’t know if or how that translates to ‘Dual Control’.

 

Nelson,

In the event that the original paint specs are useful for Erie 82500-83199, the following comes from the ACF bill of materials for the 700 cars built in lot 2862:

 

DuPont (300)/Pittsburgh (200)/Sherwin-Williams (200) Metallic Brown - sides; black car cement - ends, u/f, roof seam caps, top of side plate; black - brake parts, trucks; white - stencils; black/Dulux Gold - monogram

 

This document is available for review or for making copies of desired pages at the Barriger National Railroad Library (St. Louis Mercantile Library).

 

Because the side plate and roof seam caps were black car cement, a photo of the car from a low angle can give a false conclusion that the entire roof was black. A photo from a higher angle would show otherwise.

Regards,

Ed Hawkins

Tim O'Connor
 


Ed, a 1950's color photo of ERIE #82051 and a 1960 photo of ERIE #82751
both show galvanized roofs with black seam caps, exactly as you describe.

(The 82000-82499 series built by ACF in 1945 must have had similar paint
instructions.)

Tim O'Connor



In the event that the original paint specs are useful for Erie 82500-83199, the following comes from the ACF bill of materials for the 700 cars built in lot 2862:

DuPont (300)/Pittsburgh (200)/Sherwin-Williams (200) Metallic Brown - sides; black car cement - ends, u/f, roof seam caps, top of side plate; black - brake parts, trucks; white - stencils; black/Dulux Gold - monogram

This document is available for review or for making copies of desired pages at the Barriger National Railroad Library (St. Louis Mercantile Library).

Because the side plate and roof seam caps were black car cement, a photo of the car from a low angle can give a false conclusion that the entire roof was black. A photo from a higher angle would show otherwise.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

Tim O'Connor
 

Nelson

This was a very common method of painting box car roofs by the 1950's and
continued after that. As far as I know only Athearn has done RTR roofs like
this (galvanized with black seam caps) on one of their Genesis box cars.

MOST of the box cars with "unpainted galvanized roofs" in fact had enameled
seams caps (usually brown or black). Usually the seam caps were overcoated after
installation with a sealant, and it could be a light color (e.g. grey) giving
the impression that the whole roof was one color. But when the car cement or
sealant weathered off, the dark seam caps were revealed. And as Schuyler said,
repainted roofs were simply coated over with one color - if they were repainted
at all.

It's not hard to do with a separate roof in a kit! If you model weathered box
cars, or repaints, it's essential to know this stuff! :-)

Tim O'Connor



Wow! This car is getting complicated. Has anyone modeled a roof like that? I�d probably take more flack for adding the black paint to simulate car cement than to leave it the way it is, BCR roof and unpainted Apex running board.
Nelson Moyer



Because the side plate and roof seam caps were black car cement, a photo of the car from a low angle can give a false conclusion that the entire roof was black. A photo from a higher angle would show otherwise.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

brianleppert@att.net
 

"Dual Control" was one of the features of National's B-1 trucks that distinguished them from National's earlier Type B trucks.  For details, see the 1946 Car Builders' Cyclopedia, and I think also the 1943 edition.  National's ad in the 1940 CBC covers their Type B truck design.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV

please visit  www.resincarworks.com/tahoe.htm 


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One other thing, according to Ed’s table on SEFC, the first 300 car of series 82500- had National B-1 trucks. I don’t know if or how that translates to ‘Dual Control’.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

 

 




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