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Info needed NC&StL 19000-19499


mopacfirst
 

I'm building a Branchline kit for NC&StL 19000 series box, built 1946.  Haven't found any photos on line or in the L&N book.  Lots of photos of the PS-1 22000 series.

What kind of trucks? 

The 1966 ORER still shows sixty-some of the 500 cars with original reporting marks.  Of the ones that got repainted, were they mostly patch jobs or full repaint?   What number series did they go to after L&N renumbering, if any?

Ron Merrick


brianleppert@att.net
 

A-3 Ride Control.  Kato or Kadee.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV


mopacfirst
 

Thanks, Brian.  I have a good inventory of the Kato.

Ron Merrick


Bill Welch
 

Ron I am unsure of the provenance of the attached photo but hope it helps you.

Bill Welch
Ya'll RR Modeler


Steven D Johnson
 

Bill,

 

I have a copy of that photo of NC&StL #19210 that you attached, and noticed that the end is not the original type as-delivered.  See attached builder’s photo of #19399.  Perhaps the newer end is from a rebuild after a wreck. 

 

Steve Johnson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2018 9:11 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Info needed NC&StL 19000-19499

 

Ron I am unsure of the provenance of the attached photo but hope it helps you.

Bill Welch
Ya'll RR Modeler


Steven D Johnson
 

Ron,

 

Many NC&StL freight cars ran in full NC paint well after the 1957 merger with L&N.  Some were given the patch job with L&N reporting marks and number.  Most (400) of these particular NC&StL XM35 boxcars were involved in a rebuilding program at the South Louisville Shops in 1964 and became L&N series 92000-92399.  There’s a photo of #92084 on page 15 of the L&N Color Guide, Volume One.

 

I have copies of the NC&StL-L&N car-by-car renumbering documents for most of the NC cars, and probably have the pages on these cars.

 

Steve Johnson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of mopacfirst
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2018 5:22 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Info needed NC&StL 19000-19499

 

I'm building a Branchline kit for NC&StL 19000 series box, built 1946.  Haven't found any photos on line or in the L&N book.  Lots of photos of the PS-1 22000 series.

What kind of trucks? 

The 1966 ORER still shows sixty-some of the 500 cars with original reporting marks.  Of the ones that got repainted, were they mostly patch jobs or full repaint?   What number series did they go to after L&N renumbering, if any?

Ron Merrick


John Barry
 

Steve,

I think the ends are the same 3-4 improved dreadnaught on both cars. The shadow on the color photo conveniently obscures the taper and wide center portion of the major ribs, making it easy to assume they are straight across.

My question is what is the object on the right side of the right truck in the builder's photo? I've not noticed such a device on other trucks. It is not on the visible portion of the other truck.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696 


PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736

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On Sat, 5/26/18, Steven D Johnson <tenncentralrwy@comcast.net> wrote:

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Info needed NC&StL 19000-19499
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Date: Saturday, May 26, 2018, 11:28 PM

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#yiv2026767240 Bill,  I have a copy of that photo of
NC&StL #19210 that you attached, and noticed that the
end is not the original type as-delivered.  See attached
builder’s photo of #19399.  Perhaps the newer end is from
a rebuild after a wreck.   Steve Johnson  From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
[mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
Welch
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2018
9:11 PM
To:
main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re:
[RealSTMFC] Info needed NC&StL 19000-19499  Ron I am unsure of
the provenance of the attached photo but hope it helps
you.

Bill Welch
Ya'll RR Modeler


Steven D Johnson
 

John,

The as-built ends were 4-4 improved dreadnaught, not 3-4. The one on #19210 is definitely different. I'm looking at the end of one of those cars rebuilt by L&N's South Louisville Shops, which retained the original 4-4 ends.

I don't know what that object is on/in the truck.

Steve Johnson

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Barry
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2018 10:53 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Info needed NC&StL 19000-19499

Steve,

I think the ends are the same 3-4 improved dreadnaught on both cars. The shadow on the color photo conveniently obscures the taper and wide center portion of the major ribs, making it easy to assume they are straight across.

My question is what is the object on the right side of the right truck in the builder's photo? I've not noticed such a device on other trucks. It is not on the visible portion of the other truck.

John Barry

ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696


PO Box 44736
Washington, DC 20026-4736

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On Sat, 5/26/18, Steven D Johnson <tenncentralrwy@comcast.net> wrote:

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Info needed NC&StL 19000-19499
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Date: Saturday, May 26, 2018, 11:28 PM

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#yiv2026767240 Bill, I have a copy of that photo of
NC&StL #19210 that you attached, and noticed that the
end is not the original type as-delivered. See attached
builder’s photo of #19399. Perhaps the newer end is from
a rebuild after a wreck. Steve Johnson From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
[mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
Welch
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2018
9:11 PM
To:
main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re:
[RealSTMFC] Info needed NC&StL 19000-19499 Ron I am unsure of
the provenance of the attached photo but hope it helps
you.

Bill Welch
Ya'll RR Modeler


Charles Peck
 

Unless you are seeing something on that right truck that I am not, you are looking
through the sideframe and seeing the bolster.  The bolster has a hole in it.
I'm fairly sure of that because it is possible to see the dark area that is the top
of the rightmost brake shoe between you and the lighter colored bolster.
Chuck Peck

On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 10:08 PM, Steven D Johnson <tenncentralrwy@...> wrote:
John,

The as-built ends were 4-4 improved dreadnaught, not 3-4.  The one on #19210 is definitely different.  I'm looking at the end of one of those cars rebuilt by L&N's South Louisville Shops, which retained the original 4-4 ends.

I don't know what that object is on/in the truck.

Steve Johnson


-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@....io] On Behalf Of John Barry
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2018 10:53 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Info needed NC&StL 19000-19499

Steve,

I think the ends are the same 3-4 improved dreadnaught on both cars. The shadow on the color photo conveniently obscures the taper and wide center portion of the major ribs, making it easy to assume they are straight across.

My question is what is the object on the right side of the right truck in the builder's photo?  I've not noticed such a device on other trucks. It is not on the visible portion of the other truck.

John Barry

ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696


PO Box 44736
Washington, DC 20026-4736

--------------------------------------------
On Sat, 5/26/18, Steven D Johnson <tenncentralrwy@...> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Info needed NC&StL 19000-19499
 To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
 Date: Saturday, May 26, 2018, 11:28 PM

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 #yiv2026767240 Bill,  I have a copy of that photo of
 NC&StL #19210 that you attached, and noticed that the
 end is not the original type as-delivered.  See attached
 builder’s photo of #19399.  Perhaps the newer end is from
 a rebuild after a wreck.    Steve Johnson  From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
 [mailto:main@....io] On Behalf Of Bill
 Welch
 Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2018
 9:11 PM
 To:
 main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
 Subject: Re:
 [RealSTMFC] Info needed NC&StL 19000-19499  Ron I am unsure of
 the provenance of the attached photo but hope it helps
 you.

 Bill Welch
 Ya'll RR Modeler









Bill Welch
 

Southwest has the doors you need: http://southwestscale.com/Freight-Car-Details_c3.htm

These were used on several Pullman deliveries of the 1944 cars for southeastern RR's, a.k.a. as "Ya'll Roads."

Bill Welch


Bill Welch
 

Here is the southwest Models door on a Branchline car, albeit a Georgia boxcar.

Bill Welch


mopacfirst
 

I had no idea what a complicated set of answers would result from a simple question.  Thanks to all.

As luck would have it, I do have one pair of the Southwest Scale 622 door in inventory.  Bad news is, I know I built a Georgia Branchline box which is somewhere on the railroad - I guess I need to find it and figure out the details on this one.  These cars were rare, but not unheard-of, visitors to central Kansas since I shot a few at flour mill loading docks in the 1970 time frame.

Worse news is I've emptied out my truck box and haven't found any Kato trucks.  Probably used the last of them in the last couple weeks, so this car will stay on the bench until new supply arrives.  On the bright side, I got to looking at recycled trucks and new ones that I'd tossed into the box when I opened a kit, and there were a lot of those Delrin axles that I thought I didn't have.  Probably spent an hour prying those out of truck frames and tossing them.

Ron Merrick


mopacfirst
 

So I see.  I looked at the photo you reference, and it's definitely too new for me (as is the case for many rebuilds).  Interesting that the defect card holder is in approximately the same place, although it's a beefier reinforcement under the door.

Ron Merrick