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Info needed NC&StL 19000-19499
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mopacfirst
I'm building a Branchline kit for NC&StL 19000 series box, built 1946. Haven't found any photos on line or in the L&N book. Lots of photos of the PS-1 22000 series.
What kind of trucks? The 1966 ORER still shows sixty-some of the 500 cars with original reporting marks. Of the ones that got repainted, were they mostly patch jobs or full repaint? What number series did they go to after L&N renumbering, if any? Ron Merrick
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brianleppert@att.net
A-3 Ride Control. Kato or Kadee.
Brian Leppert Tahoe Model Works Carson City, NV
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mopacfirst
Thanks, Brian. I have a good inventory of the Kato.
Ron Merrick
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Bill Welch
Ron I am unsure of the provenance of the attached photo but hope it helps you.
Bill Welch Ya'll RR Modeler
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Steven D Johnson
Bill,
I have a copy of that photo of NC&StL #19210 that you attached, and noticed that the end is not the original type as-delivered. See attached builder’s photo of #19399. Perhaps the newer end is from a rebuild after a wreck.
Steve Johnson
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Ron I am unsure of the provenance of the attached photo but hope it helps you.
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Steven D Johnson
Ron,
Many NC&StL freight cars ran in full NC paint well after the 1957 merger with L&N. Some were given the patch job with L&N reporting marks and number. Most (400) of these particular NC&StL XM35 boxcars were involved in a rebuilding program at the South Louisville Shops in 1964 and became L&N series 92000-92399. There’s a photo of #92084 on page 15 of the L&N Color Guide, Volume One.
I have copies of the NC&StL-L&N car-by-car renumbering documents for most of the NC cars, and probably have the pages on these cars.
Steve Johnson
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of mopacfirst
I'm building a Branchline kit for NC&StL 19000 series box, built 1946. Haven't found any photos on line or in the L&N book. Lots of photos of the PS-1 22000 series.
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John Barry
Steve,
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I think the ends are the same 3-4 improved dreadnaught on both cars. The shadow on the color photo conveniently obscures the taper and wide center portion of the major ribs, making it easy to assume they are straight across. My question is what is the object on the right side of the right truck in the builder's photo? I've not noticed such a device on other trucks. It is not on the visible portion of the other truck. John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696 PO Box 44736 Washington, DC 20026-4736 --------------------------------------------
On Sat, 5/26/18, Steven D Johnson <tenncentralrwy@comcast.net> wrote:
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Info needed NC&StL 19000-19499 To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Date: Saturday, May 26, 2018, 11:28 PM #yiv2026767240 #yiv2026767240 -- _filtered #yiv2026767240 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv2026767240 {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} #yiv2026767240 #yiv2026767240 p.yiv2026767240MsoNormal, #yiv2026767240 li.yiv2026767240MsoNormal, #yiv2026767240 div.yiv2026767240MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:New;} #yiv2026767240 a:link, #yiv2026767240 span.yiv2026767240MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv2026767240 a:visited, #yiv2026767240 span.yiv2026767240MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv2026767240 p {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:New;} #yiv2026767240 span.yiv2026767240EmailStyle18 {color:black;} #yiv2026767240 .yiv2026767240MsoChpDefault {} _filtered #yiv2026767240 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;} #yiv2026767240 div.yiv2026767240WordSection1 {} #yiv2026767240 Bill, I have a copy of that photo of NC&StL #19210 that you attached, and noticed that the end is not the original type as-delivered. See attached builder’s photo of #19399. Perhaps the newer end is from a rebuild after a wreck. Steve Johnson From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Welch Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2018 9:11 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Info needed NC&StL 19000-19499 Ron I am unsure of the provenance of the attached photo but hope it helps you. Bill Welch Ya'll RR Modeler
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Steven D Johnson
John,
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The as-built ends were 4-4 improved dreadnaught, not 3-4. The one on #19210 is definitely different. I'm looking at the end of one of those cars rebuilt by L&N's South Louisville Shops, which retained the original 4-4 ends. I don't know what that object is on/in the truck. Steve Johnson
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Barry Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2018 10:53 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Info needed NC&StL 19000-19499 Steve, I think the ends are the same 3-4 improved dreadnaught on both cars. The shadow on the color photo conveniently obscures the taper and wide center portion of the major ribs, making it easy to assume they are straight across. My question is what is the object on the right side of the right truck in the builder's photo? I've not noticed such a device on other trucks. It is not on the visible portion of the other truck. John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696 PO Box 44736 Washington, DC 20026-4736 -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 5/26/18, Steven D Johnson <tenncentralrwy@comcast.net> wrote: Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Info needed NC&StL 19000-19499 To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Date: Saturday, May 26, 2018, 11:28 PM #yiv2026767240 #yiv2026767240 -- _filtered #yiv2026767240 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv2026767240 {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} #yiv2026767240 #yiv2026767240 p.yiv2026767240MsoNormal, #yiv2026767240 li.yiv2026767240MsoNormal, #yiv2026767240 div.yiv2026767240MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:New;} #yiv2026767240 a:link, #yiv2026767240 span.yiv2026767240MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv2026767240 a:visited, #yiv2026767240 span.yiv2026767240MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv2026767240 p {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:New;} #yiv2026767240 span.yiv2026767240EmailStyle18 {color:black;} #yiv2026767240 .yiv2026767240MsoChpDefault {} _filtered #yiv2026767240 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;} #yiv2026767240 div.yiv2026767240WordSection1 {} #yiv2026767240 Bill, I have a copy of that photo of NC&StL #19210 that you attached, and noticed that the end is not the original type as-delivered. See attached builder’s photo of #19399. Perhaps the newer end is from a rebuild after a wreck. Steve Johnson From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Welch Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2018 9:11 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Info needed NC&StL 19000-19499 Ron I am unsure of the provenance of the attached photo but hope it helps you. Bill Welch Ya'll RR Modeler
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Unless you are seeing something on that right truck that I am not, you are looking through the sideframe and seeing the bolster. The bolster has a hole in it. I'm fairly sure of that because it is possible to see the dark area that is the top of the rightmost brake shoe between you and the lighter colored bolster. Chuck Peck
On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 10:08 PM, Steven D Johnson <tenncentralrwy@...> wrote: John,
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Bill Welch
Southwest has the doors you need: http://southwestscale.com/Freight-Car-Details_c3.htm
These were used on several Pullman deliveries of the 1944 cars for southeastern RR's, a.k.a. as "Ya'll Roads." Bill Welch
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Bill Welch
Here is the southwest Models door on a Branchline car, albeit a Georgia boxcar.
Bill Welch
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mopacfirst
I had no idea what a complicated set of answers would result from a simple question. Thanks to all.
As luck would have it, I do have one pair of the Southwest Scale 622 door in inventory. Bad news is, I know I built a Georgia Branchline box which is somewhere on the railroad - I guess I need to find it and figure out the details on this one. These cars were rare, but not unheard-of, visitors to central Kansas since I shot a few at flour mill loading docks in the 1970 time frame. Worse news is I've emptied out my truck box and haven't found any Kato trucks. Probably used the last of them in the last couple weeks, so this car will stay on the bench until new supply arrives. On the bright side, I got to looking at recycled trucks and new ones that I'd tossed into the box when I opened a kit, and there were a lot of those Delrin axles that I thought I didn't have. Probably spent an hour prying those out of truck frames and tossing them. Ron Merrick
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mopacfirst
So I see. I looked at the photo you reference, and it's definitely too new for me (as is the case for many rebuilds). Interesting that the defect card holder is in approximately the same place, although it's a beefier reinforcement under the door.
Ron Merrick
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