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three character shots of a NYC gon
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Schuyler Larrabee
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Rossiter, Mark W <Mark.Rossiter@...>
Interesting chalk marks on the first photo.
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Andy Miller
Great shot of a spring-planked Vulcan truck with ribbed-backed wheels.
Andy
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David
NYC 339072 was built as CI&S 184072 (assuming the renumbering was done sequentially), Lot 204-G, and has received some work. The Vulcan trucks are replacements for L-section Andrews trucks, the inverse Murphy ends are replacements for plate ends with two vertical posts, the top chord and trapezoidal end sill are not original. The center side post has also been extended down to a crossbearer mounted below the center sill.
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Vulcan design sideframes cast by Symington-Gould (foundry stamp) made for ACF (?) whose initials appear to be cast into the sideframe, for a NYC Lines order (name cast into the trucks as well). They appear to be either L-section or T-section sideframes - both types were outlawed (strictly restricted interchange) in 1957. http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-09-12-18/X5128.jpg The hopper bottom gondola is pretty cool too! :-) Great shot of a spring-planked Vulcan truck with ribbed-backed wheels. --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts |
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Dave Parker
I'm not sure about the Symington-Gould foundry stamp, but it is ASF (American Steel Foundries) that is stamped on the upper left truss-member. In the center is stamped Vulcan, which was an ASF trade-name. There is a patent date of 10-6-96 on the left diagonal. This date routinely appears on ASF Andrews and Vulcan trucks of the teens and twenties, and reflects the original patent awarded to one J S Hardie, the rights to which were later acquired by ASF. The sideframe in Hardie's patent bore only a passing resemblance to an Andrews or a Vulcan; it was the removable journal box bolted into the pedestal jaw that was patented.
BTW, based on the CBCs, the "Andrews" and "Vulcan" trade names seem to have come into play in about 1909 and 1916 respectively. Also note that, on this truck, the top chord appears to be a U-channel, while the rest of the truss is T-shaped. I assume this was a short-lived transition on the way to the full U-channel version. I don't think this "mixed truss" arrangement was in any way common, but I have seen a couple of other examples. There is a Gould-manufactured "Vulcan" sideframe advertised in the 1909 CBC that clearly has both U- and L-section elements. Dave Parker Riverside, CA |
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Dave
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I'm certain that "S" inside a hexagon is a foundry stamp. From your information I conclude that ASF holds the patent. From my limited info, Symington-Gould is the only foundry I could find that uses an "S" inside a hexagon. Tim I'm not sure about the Symington-Gould foundry stamp, but it is ASF (American Steel Foundries) that is stamped on the upper left truss-member. In the center is stamped Vulcan, which was an ASF trade-name. There is a patent date of 10-6-96 on the left diagonal. This date routinely appears on ASF Andrews and Vulcan trucks of the teens and twenties, and reflects the original patent awarded to one J S Hardie, the rights to which were later acquired by ASF. The sideframe in Hardie's patent bore only a passing resemblance to an Andrews or a Vulcan; it was the removable journal box bolted into the pedestal jaw that was patented. --
*Tim O'Connor* *Sterling, Massachusetts* |
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Dave Parker
Tim:
I don't doubt it. I'm afraid I know very little about foundry stamps. I'm guessing that maybe ASF subcontracted the foundry work to S-G here? After all, there were other parts that comprised the truck as a whole. BTW, at the time this truck was built (probably mid-teens), I think Symington and Gould (Coupler) were still separate companies. Or, that's what what my 1916 CBC suggests. The history of these two outfits is a bit murky to me. Dave Parker Riverside, CA |
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