T&P Single Sheathed Boxcar 30570


gary laakso
 

What is the build date on this boxcar and how tall is it:

 

http://www.texaspacificrailway.org/rolling-stock/texas-and-pacific-railway-rolling-stock-30570-image-1158.html 

 

It appears to be tall enough to be a war emergency boxcar, though it is not. 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock


Ed Hawkins
 


On Nov 26, 2018, at 10:58 AM, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:

What is the build date on this boxcar and how tall is it:
 
 
It appears to be tall enough to be a war emergency boxcar, though it is not. 

Gary,
T&P 30570 was from series 30000-30632 having  10’-2 1/4” inside height. Bob’s Photo offers a photo of T&P 30362 taken in March 1952. All of these converted XM single-door box cars retained wood sides.

The original cars were 40’-6” single-sheathed XA auto cars, T&P 61000-61524, with 12’-1” door openings, built in Oct. 1929 by Pressed Steel Car Co. at Hegewisch, Illinois. They had Youngstown doors with Union Duplex fixtures, Dreadnaught ends, Murphy radial roofs, Ajax hand brakes, and T-Z pressed-steel brake steps. 

An additional 175 cars, T&P 61525-61699 also built 10-29 by Pressed Steel were the same except with end doors. A builder photo of T&P 61525 was published on p. 142 of the 1931 Car Builders’ Cyclopedia.

Various cars in series 61000-61699 received Evans Auto Loaders in the 1930s.

Conversions from 61000-61524 auto cars to single-door cars were accomplished at the railroad’s shops at Marshall, Texas, starting in 1942 (30000-30205), more by 1944 (30206-30316), and completed in the early 1950s. By 1953, 633 cars had been converted as XM single-door box cars. Some of the conversions were cars with end doors. The diagram does not state anything about the end doors, but I’m of the belief that the end doors were retained & permanently welded shut. 

Other end-door cars were modified in the mid-to-late 1950s with 15’ door openings and renumbered in various groups in the 62000, 63000, 66000, 67000 series for special dedicated auto parts service. Diagrams for these cars denote end doors were welded shut.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins



gary laakso
 

Thank very much Ed, your gracious assistance to all of us over the years is very much appreciated.  There is a faded color picture dated September 21, 1957 of 30357 taken in Duluth, MN on page 11 of Yaremko’s new book Great Northern.  It has a 5 panel door and is considerably higher than the Forth Worth & Denver 7622 single sheathed boxcar next to it.   It is perhaps a replacement door?

 

Gary Laakso

Bailed out by Ed Hawkins again!

 

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On Nov 26, 2018, at 10:58 AM, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:



What is the build date on this boxcar and how tall is it:

 

 

It appears to be tall enough to be a war emergency boxcar, though it is not. 

 

Gary,

T&P 30570 was from series 30000-30632 having  10’-2 1/4” inside height. Bob’s Photo offers a photo of T&P 30362 taken in March 1952. All of these converted XM single-door box cars retained wood sides.

 

The original cars were 40’-6” single-sheathed XA auto cars, T&P 61000-61524, with 12’-1” door openings, built in Oct. 1929 by Pressed Steel Car Co. at Hegewisch, Illinois. They had Youngstown doors with Union Duplex fixtures, Dreadnaught ends, Murphy radial roofs, Ajax hand brakes, and T-Z pressed-steel brake steps. 

 

An additional 175 cars, T&P 61525-61699 also built 10-29 by Pressed Steel were the same except with end doors. A builder photo of T&P 61525 was published on p. 142 of the 1931 Car Builders’ Cyclopedia.

 

Various cars in series 61000-61699 received Evans Auto Loaders in the 1930s.

 

Conversions from 61000-61524 auto cars to single-door cars were accomplished at the railroad’s shops at Marshall, Texas, starting in 1942 (30000-30205), more by 1944 (30206-30316), and completed in the early 1950s. By 1953, 633 cars had been converted as XM single-door box cars. Some of the conversions were cars with end doors. The diagram does not state anything about the end doors, but I’m of the belief that the end doors were retained & permanently welded shut. 

 

Other end-door cars were modified in the mid-to-late 1950s with 15’ door openings and renumbered in various groups in the 62000, 63000, 66000, 67000 series for special dedicated auto parts service. Diagrams for these cars denote end doors were welded shut.

Regards,

Ed Hawkins

 

 


Tim O'Connor
 


Thanks Ed for all that background information!

The cars appear to have received additional reinforced door areas later in life.




On Nov 26, 2018, at 10:58 AM, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@... > wrote:
What is the build date on this boxcar and how tall is it:
http://www.texaspacificrailway.org/rolling-stock/texas-and-pacific-railway-rolling-stock-30570-image-1158.html
It appears to be tall enough to be a war emergency boxcar, though it is not.



Gary,

T&P 30570 was from series 30000-30632 having  10-2 1/4 inside height. Bobs Photo offers a photo of T&P 30362
taken in March 1952. All of these converted XM single-door box cars retained wood sides.

The original cars were 40-6 single-sheathed XA auto cars, T&P 61000-61524, with 12-1 door openings, built
in Oct. 1929 by Pressed Steel Car Co. at Hegewisch, Illinois. They had Youngstown doors with Union Duplex fixtures,
Dreadnaught ends, Murphy radial roofs, Ajax hand brakes, and T-Z pressed-steel brake steps.

An additional 175 cars, T&P 61525-61699 also built 10-29 by Pressed Steel were the same except with end doors.
A builder photo of T&P 61525 was published on p. 142 of the 1931 Car Builders Cyclopedia.

Various cars in series 61000-61699 received Evans Auto Loaders in the 1930s.

Conversions from 61000-61524 auto cars to single-door cars were accomplished at the railroads shops at Marshall, Texas,
starting in 1942 (30000-30205), more by 1944 (30206-30316), and completed in the early 1950s. By 1953, 633 cars had been
converted as XM single-door box cars. Some of the conversions were cars with end doors. The diagram does not state
anything about the end doors, but Im of the belief that the end doors were retained & permanently welded shut.

Other end-door cars were modified in the mid-to-late 1950s with 15 door openings and renumbered in various groups in
the 62000, 63000, 66000, 67000 series for special dedicated auto parts service. Diagrams for these cars denote end doors
were welded shut.

Regards,
Ed Hawkins

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Ed Hawkins
 


On Nov 26, 2018, at 1:45 PM, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:

Thank very much Ed, your gracious assistance to all of us over the years is very much appreciated.  There is a faded color picture dated September 21, 1957 of 30357 taken in Duluth, MN on page 11 of Yaremko’s new book Great Northern.  It has a 5 panel door and is considerably higher than the Forth Worth & Denver 7622 single sheathed boxcar next to it.   It is perhaps a replacement door?
 
Gary,
The T&P and also MoPac were two railroads that used Superior 5-panel doors for cars needing new replacement doors after 1952. Among other cars, T&P had numerous 1937 AAR box cars in the 40000-40999 series so-equipped with Superior 5-panel doors. 
Ed Hawkins


Scott
 


 Pretty sure there is a photo of the original car in one of Teds books,  The Steam Era Reference series for boxcars and auto cars.  I can look later tonight.

Scott McDonald