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Proctor & Gamble Tank Cars
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Proctor & Gamble Tank Cars This photo is from the Louisiana Digital Library. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Bill Keene
Hi Bob,
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I can not add much about the tank cars… others are more tank car literate than I am… but can offer some info about the ship… The photo must have been taken sometime in the 1930s and it appears to be somewhere on the Mississippi River. More of a guessing game on this data. Wonder if the contents are being loaded or unloaded from the ship. Also what those contents might be. Can add the following about the ship…
An interesting scene for a seaport based layout. Cheers, Bill Keene Irvine, CA
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Dave Parker
The attached JPEG didn't have much resolution, so here is the link to the LDL:
http://louisianadigitallibrary.org/islandora/object/hnoc-clf%3A8480 I little more detail is evident here, but it's still not easy to identify very many of the cars. They all look to date to the late teens or early twenties, and are consistent with the PGX listings in my 1930 and 1935 ORERs. The PGX listing is gone by 1940, and Ian Cranstones's database (http://www.nakina.net/other/report/reportp.html ) suggests that the reporting mark was briefly used by GATC before being phased out altogether. Bill's data on the boat indeed narrows the window to the 1930s (aka the decade that almost nobody models). Dave Parker Riverside, CA
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S.W.A.G. - Molasses is the cargo. The cars are a range of types, mostly AC&F, with a few high walkway cars (AC&F type 7 ?)Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Dave Parker via Groups.Io <spottab@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 5:14 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Proctor & Gamble Tank Cars The attached JPEG didn't have much resolution, so here is the link to the LDL:
http://louisianadigitallibrary.org/islandora/object/hnoc-clf%3A8480
I little more detail is evident here, but it's still not easy to identify very many of the cars. They all look to date to the late teens or early twenties, and are consistent with the PGX listings in my 1930 and 1935 ORERs. The PGX listing is gone by 1940, and Ian Cranstones's database (http://www.nakina.net/other/report/reportp.html ) suggests that the reporting mark was briefly used by GATC before being phased out altogether. Bill's data on the boat indeed narrows the window to the 1930s (aka the decade that almost nobody models). Dave Parker Riverside, CA
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Spen Kellogg <spninetynine@...>
On 2/21/2019 3:59 PM, Bill Keene via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi Bob,The cars were carrying some kind of vegetable oil, most likely palm oil, although coconut oil is also possible. Some of those tank cars (the ones with the high running boards) were probably built in the first decade of the 20th century. I would guess that they were 8,000 gallon MCB Class II cars built around 1908 by ACF Milton. Note the early number on the nearest one. Spen Kellogg
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Tony Thompson
I agree with Spen Kellogg (who should know) that the cargoes here were vegetable oil from the Caribbean, likely palm oil. Remember that Proctor & Gamble made a lot of soap.
Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@signaturepress.com Publishers of books on railroad history
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Peter Weiglin
Fellas, I almost hate to bringt his up, but -
In case someone is doing decal artwork or car cards, it should be noted that the name of the company is PROCTER and Gamble. Company was founded in 1837 by William Procter and James Gamble. Proctor is a town near Duluth, or someone who oversees exams Peter Weiglin
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Aley, Jeff A
Indeed, P&G made a lot of soap. As you know, soaps can be made with many different kinds of oil - coconut, palm, etc.
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One of their products was a soap made with a mixture of PALM oil and OLIVE oil -- PALMOLIVE. Attached is an aerial photo of the P&G factory in Kansas City, KS. You can see many tank cars were present (though none are identifiable from this altitude). Regards, -Jeff
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Thompson Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 6:27 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Proctor & Gamble Tank Cars I agree with Spen Kellogg (who should know) that the cargoes here were vegetable oil from the Caribbean, likely palm oil. Remember that Proctor & Gamble made a lot of soap. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@signaturepress.com Publishers of books on railroad history
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mopacfirst
If this photo is New Orleans, then the ship is facing upriver since the docks were mostly along the city side. The angle of the sun reinforces that thought.
That makes it more likely that this is an unloading scene. Ron Merrick
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That's a great image Jeff I wish I could find a higher resolution view... there are lots of images
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online but I can't find a better one of that facility. Here's another P&G building in St Louis. http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5267/5646992577_680913d9be_b.jpg Tim O'
On 2/22/2019 1:15 PM, Aley, Jeff A wrote:
Indeed, P&G made a lot of soap. As you know, soaps can be made with many different kinds of oil - coconut, palm, etc. --
*Tim O'Connor* *Sterling, Massachusetts*
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G.J. Irwin
Actually, Palmolive Soap was a product of the Colgate-Palmolive Company, a key P&G rival. One of the well-known C-P plants was walking distance from my boyhood home in Jersey City, New Jersey... served by classic street trackage south of the PRR's Exchange Place station. I have a couple of photos of tank cars parked at the plant.
The best known soap made by P&G was Ivory. We now return you to your regular programming, already in progress... George Irwin
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Ted Culotta
Ummmm.... Palmolive is made by Colgate-Palmolive. That’s akin to talking about the IPhone from Samsung.
Ted Culotta Speedwitch Media
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Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
Friends,
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P&G also has a large plant near Sacramento which used to produce "synthetic granules", meaning powdered laundry detergent such as Tide. I had the chance to tour the factory in my boyhood (factory tours are largely a thing of the past!). The Sacramento facility produced or used a lot of glycerine, which I learned had a potential wartime role in making explosives. The facility was switched by the Central California Traction Co. and the SP. Today that would be the UP. Getting off topic a bit, but the Los Angeles Soap Company had a plant which made a brand called White King D, the first granulated detergent. They sponsored "Queen for a Day" on radio and TV for years. The company went out of business in 1987. When I drove a truck in LA after college I used to go past the plant, and though I carried a camera I never took a photo. Yours Aye, Garth Groff
On 2/22/19 6:06 PM, G.J. Irwin wrote:
Actually, Palmolive Soap was a product of the Colgate-Palmolive Company, a key P&G rival. One of the well-known C-P plants was walking distance from my boyhood home in Jersey City, New Jersey... served by classic street trackage south of the PRR's Exchange Place station. I have a couple of photos of tank cars parked at the plant.
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Dave Nelson
Palmolive was also in Berkeley CA. and right next door was Philadelphia Quartz (of California) who did own their own freight cars. PQ production was simply piped next door to the soap factory. I don’t know how common that was… it certainly saved on shipping costs so it makes a lot of sense given ordinary soap is likely a pretty competitive business.
My point is anyone who comes across a Palmolive or P&G plant might find a PQ plant very close by… and vice versa.
Dave Nelson
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of G.J. Irwin
Actually, Palmolive Soap was a product of the Colgate-Palmolive Company, a key P&G rival. One of the well-known C-P plants was walking distance from my boyhood home in Jersey City, New Jersey... served by classic street trackage south of the PRR's Exchange Place station. I have a couple of photos of tank cars parked at the plant.
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