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Throwback Thursday: Ambroid PRR Class R7 Reefer


Benjamin Hom
 

Ambroid PRR Class R7 reefer ad, February 1959 issue of Model Railroader.


Ben Hom


Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Ben, et al.,
 
Does anyone know the number for this 1 of 5000 series kit?
 
Thanks,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: Benjamin Hom
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 10:07 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Ambroid PRR Class R7 Reefer
 
Ambroid PRR Class R7 reefer ad, February 1959 issue of Model Railroader.
 
 
Ben Hom


Tim O'Connor
 

Ben

I remember that one - my Dad built many Ambroid and Quality Craft kits when
I was a teen. Imagine my distress when I found out that he sold them all in the late
1980's when he decided to "get out of the hobby". He sold his books too - bound
volumes of every Trains and Model Railroader up through the 1960's, and a dozen
builder cyclopedias... He regretted it, and later re-stocked up on kits (that I inherited)
but he never built another model! :-(

Tim O'

On 3/13/2019 10:07 AM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
Ambroid PRR Class R7 reefer ad, February 1959 issue of Model Railroader.


Ben Hom

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Benjamin Hom
 

Ralph Brown asked:
"Does anyone know the number for this 1 of 5000 series kit?"

No. 5.


Ben Hom


Tom Madden
 

Here's a link to a useful listing of all the Ambroid 1 of 5000 kits:
http://www.trainweb.org/ambroidkits/trains/woodkits/Ambroid_5-Cars.htm

I lusted after them and bought each as they were released. Built all of the first series but gave up buying them after #4 of the second series as it seemed they were really reaching for prototypes. Plus I was deeply into Colorado narrow gauge by then and ended up selling all my '50s era standard gauge models and kits except for my first locomotive, a Mantua Shifter 0-4-0. Still have it. Also still have a small drawer full of Mantua and Comet paper freight car sides. Mostly reefers.

Like many modelers of the time I was greatly influenced by John Allen's articles and Varney ads. Hard to believe he's been gone for over 46 years. I know in some circles his work is no longer greeted with acclaim because he wasn't a prototype modeler and, like Malcolm Furlow's modeling, it seems to lean heavily towards caricature. But the G&D seemed credible and real to me at the time.....

Tom Madden


Tim O'Connor
 

Tom

Thanks for the great web page link! I now see that my Dad built the whole series #1 except
for the caboose and the stock car.

I was crazy about John Allen as a teen. Not just his modeling, but because his railroad was a business.
He created a narrative to explain the operations and the trains served a purpose. That was a revelation
on a par with the Delta Lines. I know my Dad was deeply influenced by the Delta Lines and I still have
his elaborate layout plans for a never-built layout he drew based on Frank Ellison's work to fit our basement.

Tim O'

On 3/13/2019 5:09 PM, Tom Madden via Groups.Io wrote:

Here's a link to a useful listing of all the Ambroid 1 of 5000 kits:
http://www.trainweb.org/ambroidkits/trains/woodkits/Ambroid_5-Cars.htm

I lusted after them and bought each as they were released. Built all of the first series but gave up buying them after #4 of the second series as it seemed they were really reaching for prototypes. Plus I was deeply into Colorado narrow gauge by then and ended up selling all my '50s era standard gauge models and kits except for my first locomotive, a Mantua Shifter 0-4-0. Still have it. Also still have a small drawer full of Mantua and Comet paper freight car sides. Mostly reefers.

Like many modelers of the time I was greatly influenced by John Allen's articles and Varney ads. Hard to believe he's been gone for over 46 years. I know in some circles his work is no longer greeted with acclaim because he wasn't a prototype modeler and, like Malcolm Furlow's modeling, it seems to lean heavily towards caricature. But the G&D seemed credible and real to me at the time.....

Tom Madden
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


 

When I started moving in manufacturer circles, I found that Ambroid never sold 5,000 of any of these kits.  However, the fact that they were limited run meant that they sold more of them than most of their regular line. – Al Westerfield

 

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From: Tom Madden via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 2:09 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Ambroid PRR Class R7 Reefer

 

Here's a link to a useful listing of all the Ambroid 1 of 5000 kits:
http://www.trainweb.org/ambroidkits/trains/woodkits/Ambroid_5-Cars.htm

I lusted after them and bought each as they were released. Built all of the first series but gave up buying them after #4 of the second series as it seemed they were really reaching for prototypes. Plus I was deeply into Colorado narrow gauge by then and ended up selling all my '50s era standard gauge models and kits except for my first locomotive, a Mantua Shifter 0-4-0. Still have it. Also still have a small drawer full of Mantua and Comet paper freight car sides. Mostly reefers.

Like many modelers of the time I was greatly influenced by John Allen's articles and Varney ads. Hard to believe he's been gone for over 46 years. I know in some circles his work is no longer greeted with acclaim because he wasn't a prototype modeler and, like Malcolm Furlow's modeling, it seems to lean heavily towards caricature. But the G&D seemed credible and real to me at the time.....

Tom Madden

 


Ralph W. Brown
 

Thanks, Ben.
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: Benjamin Hom
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 4:09 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Ambroid PRR Class R7 Reefer
 
Ralph Brown asked:
"Does anyone know the number for this 1 of 5000 series kit?"
 
No. 5.
 
 
Ben Hom


Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Tom,
 
Thanks.
 
I have about two dozen Ambroid kits and a handful of the subsequent Northeastern kits, some built, most not or unfinished.  One of the yet to be built Northeastern kits is, I think, the Northeastern version of this kit, “HR-2 Refrigerator PRR.”  It’s been a very long time and the description is a bit generic, so I’m not sure just what it is.  Maybe I’ll more it up my very long list.
 
Pax,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: Tom Madden via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 5:09 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Ambroid PRR Class R7 Reefer
 

Here's a link to a useful listing of all the Ambroid 1 of 5000 kits:
http://www.trainweb.org/ambroidkits/trains/woodkits/Ambroid_5-Cars.htm

I lusted after them and bought each as they were released. Built all of the first series but gave up buying them after #4 of the second series as it seemed they were really reaching for prototypes. Plus I was deeply into Colorado narrow gauge by then and ended up selling all my '50s era standard gauge models and kits except for my first locomotive, a Mantua Shifter 0-4-0. Still have it. Also still have a small drawer full of Mantua and Comet paper freight car sides. Mostly reefers.

Like many modelers of the time I was greatly influenced by John Allen's articles and Varney ads. Hard to believe he's been gone for over 46 years. I know in some circles his work is no longer greeted with acclaim because he wasn't a prototype modeler and, like Malcolm Furlow's modeling, it seems to lean heavily towards caricature. But the G&D seemed credible and real to me at the time.....

Tom Madden


Richard Townsend
 

I am amazed that there isn't a high-quality injection molded model of this car and its relatives (i.e. the X23). I am aware of the terrific Westerfield resin kits and the Cannonball plastic kits, but neither is what I am talking about. One lacks quality and the other is not plastic.If we can have Caswell gons, why not R7s?

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Mar 13, 2019 7:07 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Ambroid PRR Class R7 Reefer

Ambroid PRR Class R7 reefer ad, February 1959 issue of Model Railroader.


Ben Hom


Bill Keene
 

I believe that the stock car was an MKT prototype ... Or at least close to it.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA

On Mar 13, 2019, at 3:26 PM, Tim O'Connor <@timboconnor> wrote:

Tom

Thanks for the great web page link! I now see that my Dad built the whole series #1 except
for the caboose and the stock car.

I was crazy about John Allen as a teen. Not just his modeling, but because his railroad was a business.
He created a narrative to explain the operations and the trains served a purpose. That was a revelation
on a par with the Delta Lines. I know my Dad was deeply influenced by the Delta Lines and I still have
his elaborate layout plans for a never-built layout he drew based on Frank Ellison's work to fit our basement.

Tim O'


On 3/13/2019 5:09 PM, Tom Madden via Groups.Io wrote:

Here's a link to a useful listing of all the Ambroid 1 of 5000 kits:
http://www.trainweb.org/ambroidkits/trains/woodkits/Ambroid_5-Cars.htm

I lusted after them and bought each as they were released. Built all of the first series but gave up buying them after #4 of the second series as it seemed they were really reaching for prototypes. Plus I was deeply into Colorado narrow gauge by then and ended up selling all my '50s era standard gauge models and kits except for my first locomotive, a Mantua Shifter 0-4-0. Still have it. Also still have a small drawer full of Mantua and Comet paper freight car sides. Mostly reefers.

Like many modelers of the time I was greatly influenced by John Allen's articles and Varney ads. Hard to believe he's been gone for over 46 years. I know in some circles his work is no longer greeted with acclaim because he wasn't a prototype modeler and, like Malcolm Furlow's modeling, it seems to lean heavily towards caricature. But the G&D seemed credible and real to me at the time.....

Tom Madden


--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*



Benjamin Hom
 

Richard Townsend wrote:
"I am amazed that there isn't a high-quality injection molded model of this car and its relatives (i.e. the X23). I am aware of the terrific Westerfield resin kits and the Cannonball plastic kits, but neither is what I am talking about. One lacks quality and the other is not plastic.If we can have Caswell gons, why not R7s?"

There is one high quality HO scale X23 family model on the market - the Broadway Limited Class K7A stock car, which were rebuilt from Class X24 automobile boxcars.  The sound module is goofy and the model needs some work to correct the trucks, but that problem is definitely fixable and documented by Bruce Smith in an early issue of The Keystone Modeler.


Ben Hom


Richard Townsend
 

Thanks, Ben, I had forgotten about that model. Unfortunately, as I my model railroad is set in Colorado, and as I doubt any PRR stock cars made it to Colorado, I have no use for that car, with or without sound. In a way you help me make my point. I'll amend my closing statement from earlier: If we can have Caswell gons and K7 stock cars, why not R7s?

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Mar 14, 2019 3:17 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Ambroid PRR Class R7 Reefer

Richard Townsend wrote:
"I am amazed that there isn't a high-quality injection molded model of this car and its relatives (i.e. the X23). I am aware of the terrific Westerfield resin kits and the Cannonball plastic kits, but neither is what I am talking about. One lacks quality and the other is not plastic.If we can have Caswell gons, why not R7s?"

There is one high quality HO scale X23 family model on the market - the Broadway Limited Class K7A stock car, which were rebuilt from Class X24 automobile boxcars.  The sound module is goofy and the model needs some work to correct the trucks, but that problem is definitely fixable and documented by Bruce Smith in an early issue of The Keystone Modeler.


Ben Hom



Douglas Harding
 

Richard I had the same thoughts about the Broadway Limited K7A stockcar, until I found a document showing one was loaded in S St Paul MN destined for a  farmer on the M&StL in Iowa, in my time frame. Despite what many think, stockcars did get off road. A PRR stockcar in Colorado? May not be common, but I suspect it did happen.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 7:16 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Ambroid PRR Class R7 Reefer

 

Thanks, Ben, I had forgotten about that model. Unfortunately, as I my model railroad is set in Colorado, and as I doubt any PRR stock cars made it to Colorado, I have no use for that car, with or without sound. In a way you help me make my point. I'll amend my closing statement from earlier: If we can have Caswell gons and K7 stock cars, why not R7s?

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Mar 14, 2019 3:17 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Ambroid PRR Class R7 Reefer

Richard Townsend wrote:
"I am amazed that there isn't a high-quality injection molded model of this car and its relatives (i.e. the X23). I am aware of the terrific Westerfield resin kits and the Cannonball plastic kits, but neither is what I am talking about. One lacks quality and the other is not plastic.If we can have Caswell gons, why not R7s?"

There is one high quality HO scale X23 family model on the market - the Broadway Limited Class K7A stock car, which were rebuilt from Class X24 automobile boxcars.  The sound module is goofy and the model needs some work to correct the trucks, but that problem is definitely fixable and documented by Bruce Smith in an early issue of The Keystone Modeler.


Ben Hom


 

The Cannonball X23 was a pot metal Red Ball car converted to injection molding.  I built one many years ago.  The resin version was the most difficult kit  I ever did.  Usually I work alone, but this kit required the metal forming skill of Randy Anderson, the casting skill of Tom Madden, and the fine scale work of Byron Rose, which I assembled into sides and ends.  Byron also did a section of one of the roofs.  It is feasible these days to do an excellent 3d printed model.  I’m surprised no one has attempted it.  The only difficult part would be the fragility of the ladders.  From what I’ve seen of some recent tank cars, some manufacturers no longer consider this a problem.– Al Westerfield

 

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From: Richard Townsend via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 5:16 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Ambroid PRR Class R7 Reefer

 

Thanks, Ben, I had forgotten about that model. Unfortunately, as I my model railroad is set in Colorado, and as I doubt any PRR stock cars made it to Colorado, I have no use for that car, with or without sound. In a way you help me make my point. I'll amend my closing statement from earlier: If we can have Caswell gons and K7 stock cars, why not R7s?

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Mar 14, 2019 3:17 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Ambroid PRR Class R7 Reefer

Richard Townsend wrote:
"I am amazed that there isn't a high-quality injection molded model of this car and its relatives (i.e. the X23). I am aware of the terrific Westerfield resin kits and the Cannonball plastic kits, but neither is what I am talking about. One lacks quality and the other is not plastic.If we can have Caswell gons, why not R7s?"

There is one high quality HO scale X23 family model on the market - the Broadway Limited Class K7A stock car, which were rebuilt from Class X24 automobile boxcars.  The sound module is goofy and the model needs some work to correct the trucks, but that problem is definitely fixable and documented by Bruce Smith in an early issue of The Keystone Modeler.


Ben Hom

 


Steve SANDIFER
 

I have a record of a PRR K7A in San Bernardino in 1946. Of course during war time all sorts of unusual things did happen. Also a 1952 record of a Santa Fe stock car being cleaned in Toronto, Canada.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 7:36 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Ambroid PRR Class R7 Reefer

 

Richard I had the same thoughts about the Broadway Limited K7A stockcar, until I found a document showing one was loaded in S St Paul MN destined for a  farmer on the M&StL in Iowa, in my time frame. Despite what many think, stockcars did get off road. A PRR stockcar in Colorado? May not be common, but I suspect it did happen.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 7:16 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Ambroid PRR Class R7 Reefer

 

Thanks, Ben, I had forgotten about that model. Unfortunately, as I my model railroad is set in Colorado, and as I doubt any PRR stock cars made it to Colorado, I have no use for that car, with or without sound. In a way you help me make my point. I'll amend my closing statement from earlier: If we can have Caswell gons and K7 stock cars, why not R7s?

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Mar 14, 2019 3:17 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Ambroid PRR Class R7 Reefer

Richard Townsend wrote:
"I am amazed that there isn't a high-quality injection molded model of this car and its relatives (i.e. the X23). I am aware of the terrific Westerfield resin kits and the Cannonball plastic kits, but neither is what I am talking about. One lacks quality and the other is not plastic.If we can have Caswell gons, why not R7s?"

There is one high quality HO scale X23 family model on the market - the Broadway Limited Class K7A stock car, which were rebuilt from Class X24 automobile boxcars.  The sound module is goofy and the model needs some work to correct the trucks, but that problem is definitely fixable and documented by Bruce Smith in an early issue of The Keystone Modeler


Ben Hom


Brent Greer
 

Keep in mind that in off seasons, stock cars were used to ship any product that would not require weather protection.  We discussed this on this forum not too long ago and some known loads included lumber, tires, bricks, straw, and many other items.  You should think of them more like a ventilated boxcar than just a stock car.  They could be found anywhere.   Much more versatile than people give them credit for.

Brent
________________________________
Dr. J. Brent Greer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of James SANDIFER <steve.sandifer@...>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 9:11:55 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Ambroid PRR Class R7 Reefer
 

I have a record of a PRR K7A in San Bernardino in 1946. Of course during war time all sorts of unusual things did happen. Also a 1952 record of a Santa Fe stock car being cleaned in Toronto, Canada.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 7:36 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Ambroid PRR Class R7 Reefer

 

Richard I had the same thoughts about the Broadway Limited K7A stockcar, until I found a document showing one was loaded in S St Paul MN destined for a  farmer on the M&StL in Iowa, in my time frame. Despite what many think, stockcars did get off road. A PRR stockcar in Colorado? May not be common, but I suspect it did happen.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 7:16 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Ambroid PRR Class R7 Reefer

 

Thanks, Ben, I had forgotten about that model. Unfortunately, as I my model railroad is set in Colorado, and as I doubt any PRR stock cars made it to Colorado, I have no use for that car, with or without sound. In a way you help me make my point. I'll amend my closing statement from earlier: If we can have Caswell gons and K7 stock cars, why not R7s?

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Mar 14, 2019 3:17 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Ambroid PRR Class R7 Reefer

Richard Townsend wrote:
"I am amazed that there isn't a high-quality injection molded model of this car and its relatives (i.e. the X23). I am aware of the terrific Westerfield resin kits and the Cannonball plastic kits, but neither is what I am talking about. One lacks quality and the other is not plastic.If we can have Caswell gons, why not R7s?"

There is one high quality HO scale X23 family model on the market - the Broadway Limited Class K7A stock car, which were rebuilt from Class X24 automobile boxcars.  The sound module is goofy and the model needs some work to correct the trucks, but that problem is definitely fixable and documented by Bruce Smith in an early issue of The Keystone Modeler


Ben Hom


Richard Townsend
 

Thanks for those comments. Just a few minutes ago I happened to be reading an RMJ article by Richard Hendrickson on the IM ATSF stock cars. I had been thinking that I could justify a PRR K7 stock car with a shipment of breeding stock, and he mentions just that (and a PRR stock car in SoCal and western ones on Long Island). So now maybe I will get one. 

But I still want plastic R7s.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Brent Greer <studegator@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Mar 14, 2019 6:25 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Ambroid PRR Class R7 Reefer

Keep in mind that in off seasons, stock cars were used to ship any product that would not require weather protection.  We discussed this on this forum not too long ago and some known loads included lumber, tires, bricks, straw, and many other items.  You should think of them more like a ventilated boxcar than just a stock car.  They could be found anywhere.   Much more versatile than people give them credit for.

Brent
________________________________
Dr. J. Brent Greer

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of James SANDIFER <steve.sandifer@...>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 9:11:55 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Ambroid PRR Class R7 Reefer
 
I have a record of a PRR K7A in San Bernardino in 1946. Of course during war time all sorts of unusual things did happen. Also a 1952 record of a Santa Fe stock car being cleaned in Toronto, Canada.
 
 
J. Stephen Sandifer
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 7:36 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Ambroid PRR Class R7 Reefer
 
Richard I had the same thoughts about the Broadway Limited K7A stockcar, until I found a document showing one was loaded in S St Paul MN destined for a  farmer on the M&StL in Iowa, in my time frame. Despite what many think, stockcars did get off road. A PRR stockcar in Colorado? May not be common, but I suspect it did happen.
 
Doug  Harding
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 7:16 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Ambroid PRR Class R7 Reefer
 
Thanks, Ben, I had forgotten about that model. Unfortunately, as I my model railroad is set in Colorado, and as I doubt any PRR stock cars made it to Colorado, I have no use for that car, with or without sound. In a way you help me make my point. I'll amend my closing statement from earlier: If we can have Caswell gons and K7 stock cars, why not R7s?
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Mar 14, 2019 3:17 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Ambroid PRR Class R7 Reefer
Richard Townsend wrote:
"I am amazed that there isn't a high-quality injection molded model of this car and its relatives (i.e. the X23). I am aware of the terrific Westerfield resin kits and the Cannonball plastic kits, but neither is what I am talking about. One lacks quality and the other is not plastic.If we can have Caswell gons, why not R7s?"

There is one high quality HO scale X23 family model on the market - the Broadway Limited Class K7A stock car, which were rebuilt from Class X24 automobile boxcars.  The sound module is goofy and the model needs some work to correct the trucks, but that problem is definitely fixable and documented by Bruce Smith in an early issue of The Keystone Modeler


Ben Hom


 

Santa Fe designed a whole fleet of multiple use stock cars built on Caswell dump mechanisms, with hatches in the roof.   They were used primarily for hauling coke westbound.  We offered kits as our 25th anniversary car.– Al Westerfield

 

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From: Richard Townsend via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 7:12 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Ambroid PRR Class R7 Reefer

 

Thanks for those comments. Just a few minutes ago I happened to be reading an RMJ article by Richard Hendrickson on the IM ATSF stock cars. I had been thinking that I could justify a PRR K7 stock car with a shipment of breeding stock, and he mentions just that (and a PRR stock car in SoCal and western ones on Long Island). So now maybe I will get one. 

 

But I still want plastic R7s.

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Brent Greer <studegator@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Mar 14, 2019 6:25 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Ambroid PRR Class R7 Reefer

Keep in mind that in off seasons, stock cars were used to ship any product that would not require weather protection.  We discussed this on this forum not too long ago and some known loads included lumber, tires, bricks, straw, and many other items.  You should think of them more like a ventilated boxcar than just a stock car.  They could be found anywhere.   Much more versatile than people give them credit for.

Brent
________________________________
Dr. J. Brent Greer

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of James SANDIFER <steve.sandifer@...>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 9:11:55 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Ambroid PRR Class R7 Reefer

 

I have a record of a PRR K7A in San Bernardino in 1946. Of course during war time all sorts of unusual things did happen. Also a 1952 record of a Santa Fe stock car being cleaned in Toronto, Canada.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 7:36 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Ambroid PRR Class R7 Reefer

 

Richard I had the same thoughts about the Broadway Limited K7A stockcar, until I found a document showing one was loaded in S St Paul MN destined for a  farmer on the M&StL in Iowa, in my time frame. Despite what many think, stockcars did get off road. A PRR stockcar in Colorado? May not be common, but I suspect it did happen.

 

Doug  Harding

 

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Thanks, Ben, I had forgotten about that model. Unfortunately, as I my model railroad is set in Colorado, and as I doubt any PRR stock cars made it to Colorado, I have no use for that car, with or without sound. In a way you help me make my point. I'll amend my closing statement from earlier: If we can have Caswell gons and K7 stock cars, why not R7s?

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR

 

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Richard Townsend wrote:
"I am amazed that there isn't a high-quality injection molded model of this car and its relatives (i.e. the X23). I am aware of the terrific Westerfield resin kits and the Cannonball plastic kits, but neither is what I am talking about. One lacks quality and the other is not plastic.If we can have Caswell gons, why not R7s?"

There is one high quality HO scale X23 family model on the market - the Broadway Limited Class K7A stock car, which were rebuilt from Class X24 automobile boxcars.  The sound module is goofy and the model needs some work to correct the trucks, but that problem is definitely fixable and documented by Bruce Smith in an early issue of The Keystone Modeler


Ben Hom