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There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929


Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929, but there were some.
 
Here is a nice view of three different ones, all gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in 1929.
 
 
Too bad the negative has some damage, and the film resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Eric Hansmann
 

Indeed, that is an Illinois Central 50-foot automobile boxcar. I don’t know why it lacks doors. CB&Q is to the right and a partial UP car finishes the 50-foot cars.

The weathering variations on the cars in this image is also very interesting. 

Just a couple cars to the left of the IC boxcar is a BR&P boxcar. This, and a companion negative with another BR&P boxcar, are two of the only late 1920s images I’ve seen featuring a BR&P car. IIRC, the Van Sweringens owned the BR&P at this time. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On May 5, 2019, at 2:56 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

Hi List Members,
 
There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929, but there were some.
 
Here is a nice view of three different ones, all gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in 1929.
 
 
Too bad the negative has some damage, and the film resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Eric Hansmann
 

Attached it is an edit of the image concentrating on the line of cars on the right side of the original. I tweaked levels, contrast, and brightness in Photoshop. Only one Lackawanna boxcar number came out well but we can see hints of car letting on the two automobile boxcars.

I’m not certain if the fishbelly sidesill car is Illinois Central. I thought it was at first and now wonder if it is a Rock Island car. When did the R.I. reporting marks come into use? I see only two blurry initials for the reporting marks.

 

I don't have a 1929 ORER at hand but can offer data from the October 1926 ORER for the 50-foot automobile boxcar quantities of the IC, CRI&P, CB&Q, and UP.

Illinois Central listed 293 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 1.2% of the 24,229 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

CRI&P listed 1448 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 4.6% of the 31,459 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

The CB&Q listed 982 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 3.1% of the 31,612 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

Union Pacific listed 2606 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 8.8% of the 29,532 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 2:56 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

 

Hi List Members,

 

There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929, but there were some.

 

Here is a nice view of three different ones, all gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in 1929.

 

 

Too bad the negative has some damage, and the film resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


Eric Lombard
 

Good Morning, Everyone...
I agree with Eric: The did not acquire *any* 50 foot single-sheathed cars with a deep fishbelly side sill. There appear to be only three candidates for the mystery car:

Marks Series         Qty Date Builder
RIA&L 261000-261124 125 1912 WSC
CRI&P 261125-261449 325 1912 WSC
CRI&P 261450-261949 500 1913 PUL

On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 9:12 AM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

Attached it is an edit of the image concentrating on the line of cars on the right side of the original. I tweaked levels, contrast, and brightness in Photoshop. Only one Lackawanna boxcar number came out well but we can see hints of car letting on the two automobile boxcars.

I’m not certain if the fishbelly sidesill car is Illinois Central. I thought it was at first and now wonder if it is a Rock Island car. When did the R.I. reporting marks come into use? I see only two blurry initials for the reporting marks.

 

I don't have a 1929 ORER at hand but can offer data from the October 1926 ORER for the 50-foot automobile boxcar quantities of the IC, CRI&P, CB&Q, and UP.

Illinois Central listed 293 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 1.2% of the 24,229 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

CRI&P listed 1448 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 4.6% of the 31,459 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

The CB&Q listed 982 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 3.1% of the 31,612 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

Union Pacific listed 2606 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 8.8% of the 29,532 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 2:56 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

 

Hi List Members,

 

There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929, but there were some.

 

Here is a nice view of three different ones, all gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in 1929.

 

 

Too bad the negative has some damage, and the film resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


Eric Lombard
 

The IC did not acquire *any* 50 foo  


On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 9:43 AM Eric Lombard <elombard@...> wrote:
Good Morning, Everyone...
I agree with Eric: The did not acquire *any* 50 foot single-sheathed cars with a deep fishbelly side sill. There appear to be only three candidates for the mystery car:

Marks Series         Qty Date Builder
RIA&L 261000-261124 125 1912 WSC
CRI&P 261125-261449 325 1912 WSC
CRI&P 261450-261949 500 1913 PUL

On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 9:12 AM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

Attached it is an edit of the image concentrating on the line of cars on the right side of the original. I tweaked levels, contrast, and brightness in Photoshop. Only one Lackawanna boxcar number came out well but we can see hints of car letting on the two automobile boxcars.

I’m not certain if the fishbelly sidesill car is Illinois Central. I thought it was at first and now wonder if it is a Rock Island car. When did the R.I. reporting marks come into use? I see only two blurry initials for the reporting marks.

 

I don't have a 1929 ORER at hand but can offer data from the October 1926 ORER for the 50-foot automobile boxcar quantities of the IC, CRI&P, CB&Q, and UP.

Illinois Central listed 293 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 1.2% of the 24,229 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

CRI&P listed 1448 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 4.6% of the 31,459 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

The CB&Q listed 982 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 3.1% of the 31,612 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

Union Pacific listed 2606 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 8.8% of the 29,532 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 2:56 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

 

Hi List Members,

 

There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929, but there were some.

 

Here is a nice view of three different ones, all gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in 1929.

 

 

Too bad the negative has some damage, and the film resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Eric,
 
Yes, apparently the 'mystery car' is a Rock Island car. It is not IC.
 
Compare the 'mystery car' in the link below...
 
 
...with the attached example of the RI car series that seems to match. According to my Dec 1930 ORER this is series RI 261000-261949. This agrees with Eric's candidate list.
 
Thanks Eric!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

Good Morning, Everyone...
I agree with Eric: The did not acquire *any* 50 foot single-sheathed cars with a deep fishbelly side sill. There appear to be only three candidates for the mystery car:

Marks Series         Qty Date Builder
RIA&L 261000-261124 125 1912 WSC
CRI&P 261125-261449 325 1912 WSC
CRI&P 261450-261949 500 1913 PUL

On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 9:12 AM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

Attached it is an edit of the image concentrating on the line of cars on the right side of the original. I tweaked levels, contrast, and brightness in Photoshop. Only one Lackawanna boxcar number came out well but we can see hints of car letting on the two automobile boxcars.

I’m not certain if the fishbelly sidesill car is Illinois Central. I thought it was at first and now wonder if it is a Rock Island car. When did the R.I. reporting marks come into use? I see only two blurry initials for the reporting marks.

 

I don't have a 1929 ORER at hand but can offer data from the October 1926 ORER for the 50-foot automobile boxcar quantities of the IC, CRI&P, CB&Q, and UP.

Illinois Central listed 293 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 1.2% of the 24,229 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

CRI&P listed 1448 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 4.6% of the 31,459 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

The CB&Q listed 982 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 3.1% of the 31,612 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

Union Pacific listed 2606 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 8.8% of the 29,532 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 2:56 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

 

Hi List Members,

 

There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929, but there were some.

 

Here is a nice view of three different ones, all gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in 1929.

 

 

Too bad the negative has some damage, and the film resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


Steve and Barb Hile
 

Eric,
 
I wonder if the boxcar without the doors isn't a Rock Island car, built by Pullman in 1913 with the heavy side sill.  Like the attached photo.  The photo is too blurry to read the road name.
 
Steve Hile



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 3:25 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

Indeed, that is an Illinois Central 50-foot automobile boxcar. I don’t know why it lacks doors. CB&Q is to the right and a partial UP car finishes the 50-foot cars.

The weathering variations on the cars in this image is also very interesting. 

Just a couple cars to the left of the IC boxcar is a BR&P boxcar. This, and a companion negative with another BR&P boxcar, are two of the only late 1920s images I’ve seen featuring a BR&P car. IIRC, the Van Sweringens owned the BR&P at this time. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On May 5, 2019, at 2:56 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

Hi List Members,
 
There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929, but there were some.
 
Here is a nice view of three different ones, all gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in 1929.
 
 
Too bad the negative has some damage, and the film resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Eric Lombard
 

Hello, again...

Curiosity led me to see what my database could produce for "50" ft cars built before the end of 1929. I searched: New-built series; Inside length between 45-0 and 50-9; and in service 1928 or built new 1929. the data come from equipment diagrams, the ORER, the ICC valuations, and various government, railroad, model, and historical publications. 

The resulting output, 18,841 cars in 63 Series sorted by build date is attached. The build dates in the form 1-19xx are place holders. The year is documented but not the month. the data are reduced from the complete data set available for each series.

There are some interesting series! One complete with the rara avis VanDorn ends. The ascendancy of steel underframes, vertical brake wheels,steel ends trucks  can be picked out.

Enjoy

On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 2:56 PM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929, but there were some.
 
Here is a nice view of three different ones, all gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in 1929.
 
 
Too bad the negative has some damage, and the film resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Eric and List Members,
 
Excellent work there, Eric! I especially like the column entitled "SIDE PATTERN" - very imaginative.
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

Hello, again...

Curiosity led me to see what my database could produce for "50" ft cars built before the end of 1929. I searched: New-built series; Inside length between 45-0 and 50-9; and in service 1928 or built new 1929. the data come from equipment diagrams, the ORER, the ICC valuations, and various government, railroad, model, and historical publications. 

The resulting output, 18,841 cars in 63 Series sorted by build date is attached. The build dates in the form 1-19xx are place holders. The year is documented but not the month. the data are reduced from the complete data set available for each series.

There are some interesting series! One complete with the rara avis VanDorn ends. The ascendancy of steel underframes, vertical brake wheels,steel ends trucks  can be picked out.

Enjoy

On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 2:56 PM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929, but there were some.
 
Here is a nice view of three different ones, all gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in 1929.
 
 
Too bad the negative has some damage, and the film resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

This list is very interesting. Note the SP and subsidiaries are the top owners with 3,100 cars, followed by the GN with 2,550, the NP with 2,000, UP with 1,501, CMStP&P with 1,000, and even the little WP with 250. All of these western railroads were heavily involved in lumber shipments, and despite being classed as XA or XF, these cars were often used for high-grade lumber.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 5/6/19 1:31 PM, Steve and Barb Hile wrote:
Eric,
 
I wonder if the boxcar without the doors isn't a Rock Island car, built by Pullman in 1913 with the heavy side sill.  Like the attached photo.  The photo is too blurry to read the road name.
 
Steve Hile


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 3:25 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

Indeed, that is an Illinois Central 50-foot automobile boxcar. I don’t know why it lacks doors. CB&Q is to the right and a partial UP car finishes the 50-foot cars.

The weathering variations on the cars in this image is also very interesting. 

Just a couple cars to the left of the IC boxcar is a BR&P boxcar. This, and a companion negative with another BR&P boxcar, are two of the only late 1920s images I’ve seen featuring a BR&P car. IIRC, the Van Sweringens owned the BR&P at this time. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On May 5, 2019, at 2:56 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

Hi List Members,
 
There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929, but there were some.
 
Here is a nice view of three different ones, all gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in 1929.
 
 
Too bad the negative has some damage, and the film resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Garth and List Members,
 
Also note that the ONLY east-coast railroad listed was ERIE.
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

Friends,

This list is very interesting. Note the SP and subsidiaries are the top owners with 3,100 cars, followed by the GN with 2,550, the NP with 2,000, UP with 1,501, CMStP&P with 1,000, and even the little WP with 250. All of these western railroads were heavily involved in lumber shipments, and despite being classed as XA or XF, these cars were often used for high-grade lumber.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 5/6/19 1:31 PM, Steve and Barb Hile wrote:
Eric,
 
I wonder if the boxcar without the doors isn't a Rock Island car, built by Pullman in 1913 with the heavy side sill.  Like the attached photo.  The photo is too blurry to read the road name.
 
Steve Hile


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 3:25 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

Indeed, that is an Illinois Central 50-foot automobile boxcar. I don’t know why it lacks doors. CB&Q is to the right and a partial UP car finishes the 50-foot cars.

The weathering variations on the cars in this image is also very interesting. 

Just a couple cars to the left of the IC boxcar is a BR&P boxcar. This, and a companion negative with another BR&P boxcar, are two of the only late 1920s images I’ve seen featuring a BR&P car. IIRC, the Van Sweringens owned the BR&P at this time. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On May 5, 2019, at 2:56 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

Hi List Members,
 
There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929, but there were some.
 
Here is a nice view of three different ones, all gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in 1929.
 
 
Too bad the negative has some damage, and the film resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Claus,
 
Nice pic.  Gotta love those horse and wagon shots.
 
Thanks,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2019 12:51 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929
 
Hi Eric,
 
Yes, apparently the 'mystery car' is a Rock Island car. It is not IC.
 
Compare the 'mystery car' in the link below...
 
 
...with the attached example of the RI car series that seems to match. According to my Dec 1930 ORER this is series RI 261000-261949. This agrees with Eric's candidate list.
 
Thanks Eric!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Lombard
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929
 
Good Morning, Everyone...
I agree with Eric: The did not acquire *any* 50 foot single-sheathed cars with a deep fishbelly side sill. There appear to be only three candidates for the mystery car:
 
Marks Series         Qty Date Builder
RIA&L 261000-261124 125 1912 WSC
CRI&P 261125-261449 325 1912 WSC
CRI&P 261450-261949 500 1913 PUL
 
On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 9:12 AM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

Attached it is an edit of the image concentrating on the line of cars on the right side of the original. I tweaked levels, contrast, and brightness in Photoshop. Only one Lackawanna boxcar number came out well but we can see hints of car letting on the two automobile boxcars.

I’m not certain if the fishbelly sidesill car is Illinois Central. I thought it was at first and now wonder if it is a Rock Island car. When did the R.I. reporting marks come into use? I see only two blurry initials for the reporting marks.

 

I don't have a 1929 ORER at hand but can offer data from the October 1926 ORER for the 50-foot automobile boxcar quantities of the IC, CRI&P, CB&Q, and UP.

Illinois Central listed 293 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 1.2% of the 24,229 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

CRI&P listed 1448 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 4.6% of the 31,459 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

The CB&Q listed 982 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 3.1% of the 31,612 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

Union Pacific listed 2606 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 8.8% of the 29,532 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 2:56 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

 

Hi List Members,

 

There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929, but there were some.

 

Here is a nice view of three different ones, all gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in 1929.

 

 

Too bad the negative has some damage, and the film resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Claus,
 
I just took a closer look.  They’re actually mules and wagon!  Great.
 
Thanks again.
 
Pax,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: Ralph W. Brown
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2019 2:52 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929
 
Hi Claus,
 
Nice pic.  Gotta love those horse and wagon shots.
 
Thanks,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 
From: Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2019 12:51 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929
 
Hi Eric,
 
Yes, apparently the 'mystery car' is a Rock Island car. It is not IC.
 
Compare the 'mystery car' in the link below...
 
 
...with the attached example of the RI car series that seems to match. According to my Dec 1930 ORER this is series RI 261000-261949. This agrees with Eric's candidate list.
 
Thanks Eric!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Lombard
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929
 
Good Morning, Everyone...
I agree with Eric: The did not acquire *any* 50 foot single-sheathed cars with a deep fishbelly side sill. There appear to be only three candidates for the mystery car:
 
Marks Series         Qty Date Builder
RIA&L 261000-261124 125 1912 WSC
CRI&P 261125-261449 325 1912 WSC
CRI&P 261450-261949 500 1913 PUL
 
On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 9:12 AM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

Attached it is an edit of the image concentrating on the line of cars on the right side of the original. I tweaked levels, contrast, and brightness in Photoshop. Only one Lackawanna boxcar number came out well but we can see hints of car letting on the two automobile boxcars.

I’m not certain if the fishbelly sidesill car is Illinois Central. I thought it was at first and now wonder if it is a Rock Island car. When did the R.I. reporting marks come into use? I see only two blurry initials for the reporting marks.

 

I don't have a 1929 ORER at hand but can offer data from the October 1926 ORER for the 50-foot automobile boxcar quantities of the IC, CRI&P, CB&Q, and UP.

Illinois Central listed 293 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 1.2% of the 24,229 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

CRI&P listed 1448 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 4.6% of the 31,459 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

The CB&Q listed 982 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 3.1% of the 31,612 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

Union Pacific listed 2606 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 8.8% of the 29,532 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 2:56 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

 

Hi List Members,

 

There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929, but there were some.

 

Here is a nice view of three different ones, all gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in 1929.

 

 

Too bad the negative has some damage, and the film resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


David Wiggs
 

Can anyone identify the structure with two or maybe three levels of track loading?  I presume the top level is for trucks.
 
Davo in Orlando


Bill Welch
 

Eric you missed this group of 100 cars, only SS 50-footers built by a southeastern RR AFAIK: http://archive.nmra.org/Photographs.aspx?c=118&i=23478&PageIndex=0&rm=165

This photo appears in the Kline/Culotta NMRA book I believe.

Bill Welch


Rupert Gamlen
 

Eric

You can add CB&Q class XA-10 cars to your list. 46000-46481 were rebuilt at the company’s Aurora shops in 1926 from XA-5’s numbered 45000-45499 which had originally been built in 1913 by Haskell & Barker.

The dimensions and appearance of the two classes was very similar but, judging by the pairs of door stops, I think the car in the photo is an XA-10.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Lombard
Sent: Tuesday, 7 May 2019 5:31 a.m.
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

 

Hello, again...

 

Curiosity led me to see what my database could produce for "50" ft cars built before the end of 1929. I searched: New-built series; Inside length between 45-0 and 50-9; and in service 1928 or built new 1929. the data come from equipment diagrams, the ORER, the ICC valuations, and various government, railroad, model, and historical publications. 

 

The resulting output, 18,841 cars in 63 Series sorted by build date is attached. The build dates in the form 1-19xx are place holders. The year is documented but not the month. the data are reduced from the complete data set available for each series.

 

There are some interesting series! One complete with the rara avis VanDorn ends. The ascendancy of steel underframes, vertical brake wheels,steel ends trucks  can be picked out.

 

Enjoy

 


Eric Lombard
 

Hello Everyone, again...

Rupert, I purposely did not include series rebuilt, or renumbered, or both. The rebuilt and renumbered series you list is indeed in the data. 
A couple of additional photos of the Pullman lot. All the RI series had auto end doors.



On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 2:56 PM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929, but there were some.
 
Here is a nice view of three different ones, all gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in 1929.
 
 
Too bad the negative has some damage, and the film resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Eric Hansmann
 

The photo was taken at the DL&W Jersey City facilities in 1929. The top level may be a coal unloading dock to transfer coal from rail to barge or ship.

 

I do not know the function of the second level.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Wiggs
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2019 2:13 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

 

Can anyone identify the structure with two or maybe three levels of track loading?  I presume the top level is for trucks.

 

Davo in Orlando


Eric Hansmann
 

Thanks for the extra Rock Island data and the Excel file, Eric. These details are fascinating.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Lombard
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2019 9:43 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

 

Good Morning, Everyone...

I agree with Eric: The did not acquire *any* 50 foot single-sheathed cars with a deep fishbelly side sill. There appear to be only three candidates for the mystery car:

 

Marks   Series                            Qty                Date      Builder

RIA&L    261000-261124  125         1912       WSC

CRI&P   261125-261449  325         1912       WSC

CRI&P   261450-261949  500         1913       PUL

 

On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 9:12 AM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

Attached it is an edit of the image concentrating on the line of cars on the right side of the original. I tweaked levels, contrast, and brightness in Photoshop. Only one Lackawanna boxcar number came out well but we can see hints of car letting on the two automobile boxcars.

I’m not certain if the fishbelly sidesill car is Illinois Central. I thought it was at first and now wonder if it is a Rock Island car. When did the R.I. reporting marks come into use? I see only two blurry initials for the reporting marks.

 

I don't have a 1929 ORER at hand but can offer data from the October 1926 ORER for the 50-foot automobile boxcar quantities of the IC, CRI&P, CB&Q, and UP.

Illinois Central listed 293 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 1.2% of the 24,229 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

CRI&P listed 1448 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 4.6% of the 31,459 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

The CB&Q listed 982 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 3.1% of the 31,612 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

Union Pacific listed 2606 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 8.8% of the 29,532 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 2:56 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

 

Hi List Members,

 

There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929, but there were some.

 

Here is a nice view of three different ones, all gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in 1929.

 

 

Too bad the negative has some damage, and the film resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


Jim Gates
 

I see the ATSF Fe-M class, but not the Fe-K class.

Jim Gates
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On Mon, 5/6/19, Eric Lombard <@elombard> wrote:

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Date: Monday, May 6, 2019, 12:31 PM

Hello, again...
Curiosity led me to see what my database could produce for "50" ft cars built before the end of 1929. I searched: New-built series; Inside
length between 45-0 and 50-9; and in service 1928 or built new 1929. the data come from equipment diagrams, the ORER,
the ICC valuations, and various government, railroad, model, and historical publications. 
The resulting output, 18,841 cars in 63 Series sorted by build date is attached. The build
dates in the form 1-19xx are place holders. The year is documented but not the month. the data are reduced from the
complete data set available for each series.
There are some interesting series!
One complete with the rara avis VanDorn ends. The ascendancy of steel underframes, vertical brake wheels,steel ends
trucks  can be picked out.
Enjoy