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Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi List Members,
There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in
1929, but there were some.
Here is a nice view of three different ones, all
gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in
1929.
Too bad the negative has some damage, and the film
resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think the
rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving left
might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the fishbelly
underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?
Enjoy!
Claus Schlund
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Indeed, that is an Illinois Central 50-foot automobile boxcar. I don’t know why it lacks doors. CB&Q is to the right and a partial UP car finishes the 50-foot cars.
The weathering variations on the cars in this image is also very interesting.
Just a couple cars to the left of the IC boxcar is a BR&P boxcar. This, and a companion negative with another BR&P boxcar, are two of the only late 1920s images I’ve seen featuring a BR&P car. IIRC, the Van Sweringens owned the BR&P at this time.
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
On May 5, 2019, at 2:56 PM, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) < claus@...> wrote:
Hi List Members,
There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in
1929, but there were some.
Here is a nice view of three different ones, all
gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in
1929.
Too bad the negative has some damage, and the film
resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think the
rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving left
might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the fishbelly
underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?
Enjoy!
Claus Schlund
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Attached it is an edit of the image concentrating on the line of cars on the right side of the original. I tweaked levels, contrast, and brightness in Photoshop. Only one Lackawanna boxcar number came out well but we can see hints of car letting on the two automobile boxcars. I’m not certain if the fishbelly sidesill car is Illinois Central. I thought it was at first and now wonder if it is a Rock Island car. When did the R.I. reporting marks come into use? I see only two blurry initials for the reporting marks. I don't have a 1929 ORER at hand but can offer data from the October 1926 ORER for the 50-foot automobile boxcar quantities of the IC, CRI&P, CB&Q, and UP. Illinois Central listed 293 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 1.2% of the 24,229 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet. CRI&P listed 1448 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 4.6% of the 31,459 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet. The CB&Q listed 982 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 3.1% of the 31,612 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet. Union Pacific listed 2606 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 8.8% of the 29,532 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet. Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\) Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 2:56 PM To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929 There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929, but there were some. Here is a nice view of three different ones, all gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in 1929. Too bad the negative has some damage, and the film resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?
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Eric Lombard
Good Morning, Everyone...
I agree with Eric: The did not acquire *any* 50 foot single-sheathed cars with a deep fishbelly side sill. There appear to be only three candidates for the mystery car:
Marks Series Qty Date Builder RIA&L 261000-261124 125 1912 WSC CRI&P 261125-261449 325 1912 WSC CRI&P 261450-261949 500 1913 PUL
On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 9:12 AM Eric Hansmann < eric@...> wrote: Attached it is an edit of the image concentrating on the line of cars on the right side of the original. I tweaked levels, contrast, and brightness in Photoshop. Only one Lackawanna boxcar number came out well but we can see hints of car letting on the two automobile boxcars. I’m not certain if the fishbelly sidesill car is Illinois Central. I thought it was at first and now wonder if it is a Rock Island car. When did the R.I. reporting marks come into use? I see only two blurry initials for the reporting marks. I don't have a 1929 ORER at hand but can offer data from the October 1926 ORER for the 50-foot automobile boxcar quantities of the IC, CRI&P, CB&Q, and UP. Illinois Central listed 293 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 1.2% of the 24,229 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet. CRI&P listed 1448 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 4.6% of the 31,459 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet. The CB&Q listed 982 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 3.1% of the 31,612 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet. Union Pacific listed 2606 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 8.8% of the 29,532 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet. Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929, but there were some. Here is a nice view of three different ones, all gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in 1929. Too bad the negative has some damage, and the film resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?
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The IC did not acquire *any* 50 foo
On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 9:43 AM Eric Lombard < elombard@...> wrote: Good Morning, Everyone...
I agree with Eric: The did not acquire *any* 50 foot single-sheathed cars with a deep fishbelly side sill. There appear to be only three candidates for the mystery car:
Marks Series Qty Date Builder RIA&L 261000-261124 125 1912 WSC CRI&P 261125-261449 325 1912 WSC CRI&P 261450-261949 500 1913 PUL
On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 9:12 AM Eric Hansmann < eric@...> wrote: Attached it is an edit of the image concentrating on the line of cars on the right side of the original. I tweaked levels, contrast, and brightness in Photoshop. Only one Lackawanna boxcar number came out well but we can see hints of car letting on the two automobile boxcars. I’m not certain if the fishbelly sidesill car is Illinois Central. I thought it was at first and now wonder if it is a Rock Island car. When did the R.I. reporting marks come into use? I see only two blurry initials for the reporting marks. I don't have a 1929 ORER at hand but can offer data from the October 1926 ORER for the 50-foot automobile boxcar quantities of the IC, CRI&P, CB&Q, and UP. Illinois Central listed 293 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 1.2% of the 24,229 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet. CRI&P listed 1448 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 4.6% of the 31,459 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet. The CB&Q listed 982 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 3.1% of the 31,612 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet. Union Pacific listed 2606 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 8.8% of the 29,532 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet. Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929, but there were some. Here is a nice view of three different ones, all gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in 1929. Too bad the negative has some damage, and the film resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?
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Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi Eric,
Yes, apparently the 'mystery car' is a Rock Island
car. It is not IC.
Compare the 'mystery car' in the link
below...
...with the attached example of the RI car
series that seems to match. According to my Dec 1930 ORER this is series RI
261000-261949. This agrees with Eric's candidate list.
Thanks Eric!
Claus Schlund
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] There were not a
lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929
Good Morning,
Everyone...
I agree with Eric: The did
not acquire *any* 50 foot single-sheathed cars with a deep fishbelly side
sill. There appear to be only three candidates for the mystery car:
Marks Series Qty Date
Builder
RIA&L 261000-261124 125
1912 WSC
CRI&P 261125-261449 325
1912 WSC
CRI&P 261450-261949 500
1913
PUL
On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 9:12 AM Eric Hansmann
< eric@...>
wrote:
Attached it is an edit of the image concentrating on the line of
cars on the right side of the original. I tweaked levels, contrast, and
brightness in Photoshop. Only one Lackawanna boxcar number came out well but
we can see hints of car letting on the two automobile boxcars.
I’m not certain if the fishbelly sidesill car is Illinois Central. I
thought it was at first and now wonder if it is a Rock Island car. When did
the R.I. reporting marks come into use? I see only two blurry initials for
the reporting marks.
I don't have a 1929 ORER at hand but can offer data from the October
1926 ORER for the 50-foot automobile boxcar quantities of the IC, CRI&P,
CB&Q, and UP.
Illinois Central listed 293 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or
more. These represented 1.2% of the 24,229 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar
fleet.
CRI&P listed 1448 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more.
These represented 4.6% of the 31,459 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar
fleet.
The CB&Q listed 982 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or
more. These represented 3.1% of the 31,612 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar
fleet.
Union Pacific listed 2606 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or
more. These represented 8.8% of the 29,532 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar
fleet.
Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN
There were not a lot
of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929, but there were
some.
Here is a nice view
of three different ones, all gathered together at the extreme right side of
the image, taken in 1929.
Too bad the negative
has some damage, and the film resolution is not quite where we can make out
the road numbers. I think the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union
Pacific, the next one moving left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite
make out the other with the fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois
Central? Thoughts?
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Steve and Barb Hile
Eric,
I wonder if the boxcar without the doors isn't a Rock Island
car, built by Pullman in 1913 with the heavy side sill. Like the attached
photo. The photo is too blurry to read the road name.
Steve Hile
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Indeed, that is an Illinois Central 50-foot automobile boxcar. I
don’t know why it lacks doors. CB&Q is to the right and a partial UP car
finishes the 50-foot cars.
The weathering variations on the cars in this image is also
very interesting.
Just a couple cars to the left of the IC boxcar is a BR&P boxcar. This,
and a companion negative with another BR&P boxcar, are two of the only late
1920s images I’ve seen featuring a BR&P car. IIRC, the Van Sweringens owned
the BR&P at this time.
Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN
On May 5, 2019, at 2:56 PM, Claus Schlund
\(HGM\) < claus@...>
wrote:
Hi List Members,
There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in
1929, but there were some.
Here is a nice view of three different ones, all
gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in
1929.
Too bad the negative has some damage, and the
film resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think
the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving
left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the
fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?
Enjoy!
Claus Schlund
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Eric Lombard
Hello, again...
Curiosity led me to see what my database could produce for "50" ft cars built before the end of 1929. I searched: New-built series; Inside length between 45-0 and 50-9; and in service 1928 or built new 1929. the data come from equipment diagrams, the ORER, the ICC valuations, and various government, railroad, model, and historical publications.
The resulting output, 18,841 cars in 63 Series sorted by build date is attached. The build dates in the form 1-19xx are place holders. The year is documented but not the month. the data are reduced from the complete data set available for each series.
There are some interesting series! One complete with the rara avis VanDorn ends. The ascendancy of steel underframes, vertical brake wheels,steel ends trucks can be picked out.
Enjoy
On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 2:56 PM Claus Schlund \(HGM\) < claus@...> wrote:
Hi List Members,
There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in
1929, but there were some.
Here is a nice view of three different ones, all
gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in
1929.
Too bad the negative has some damage, and the film
resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think the
rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving left
might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the fishbelly
underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?
Enjoy!
Claus Schlund
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Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi Eric and List Members,
Excellent work there, Eric! I especially like the
column entitled "SIDE PATTERN" - very imaginative.
Claus Schlund
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] There were not a
lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929
Hello, again...
Curiosity led me to see what
my database could produce for "50" ft cars built before the end of 1929. I
searched: New-built series; Inside length between 45-0 and 50-9; and in
service 1928 or built new 1929. the data come from equipment diagrams, the
ORER, the ICC valuations, and various government, railroad, model, and
historical publications.
The resulting output, 18,841
cars in 63 Series sorted by build date is attached. The build dates in the
form 1-19xx are place holders. The year is documented but not the month. the
data are reduced from the complete data set available for each series.
There are some interesting
series! One complete with the rara avis VanDorn ends. The ascendancy of steel
underframes, vertical brake wheels,steel ends trucks can be picked
out.
Enjoy
On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 2:56 PM Claus Schlund
\(HGM\) < claus@...> wrote:
Hi List Members,
There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around
in 1929, but there were some.
Here is a nice view of three different ones,
all gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in
1929.
Too bad the negative has some damage, and the
film resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think
the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving
left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the
fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?
Enjoy!
Claus Schlund
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Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
Friends,
This list is very interesting. Note the SP and subsidiaries are
the top owners with 3,100 cars, followed by the GN with 2,550, the
NP with 2,000, UP with 1,501, CMStP&P with 1,000, and even the
little WP with 250. All of these western railroads were heavily
involved in lumber shipments, and despite being classed as XA or
XF, these cars were often used for high-grade lumber.
Yours Aye,
Garth Groff
On 5/6/19 1:31 PM, Steve and Barb Hile
wrote:
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Eric,
I wonder if the boxcar
without the doors isn't a Rock Island car, built by Pullman
in 1913 with the heavy side sill. Like the attached photo.
The photo is too blurry to read the road name.
Steve Hile
Indeed, that is an Illinois Central 50-foot automobile boxcar. I
don’t know why it lacks doors. CB&Q is to the right and a
partial UP car finishes the 50-foot cars.
The weathering variations on the cars in this
image is also very interesting.
Just a couple cars to the left of the IC boxcar is a
BR&P boxcar. This, and a companion negative with another
BR&P boxcar, are two of the only late 1920s images I’ve
seen featuring a BR&P car. IIRC, the Van Sweringens owned
the BR&P at this time.
Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN
On May 5, 2019, at 2:56 PM, Claus Schlund
\(HGM\) < claus@...>
wrote:
Hi List Members,
There were not a lot of
50 foot boxcars around in 1929, but there were some.
Here is a nice view of
three different ones, all gathered together at the
extreme right side of the image, taken in 1929.
Too bad the negative
has some damage, and the film resolution is not
quite where we can make out the road numbers. I
think the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union
Pacific, the next one moving left might be CB&Q,
but I cannot quite make out the other with the
fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central?
Thoughts?
Enjoy!
Claus Schlund
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Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi Garth and List Members,
Also note that the ONLY east-coast railroad listed
was ERIE.
Claus Schlund
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] There were not a
lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929
Friends,
This list is very interesting.
Note the SP and subsidiaries are the top owners with 3,100 cars, followed by
the GN with 2,550, the NP with 2,000, UP with 1,501, CMStP&P with 1,000,
and even the little WP with 250. All of these western railroads were heavily
involved in lumber shipments, and despite being classed as XA or XF, these
cars were often used for high-grade lumber.
Yours Aye,
Garth
Groff
On 5/6/19 1:31 PM, Steve and Barb Hile
wrote:
Eric,
I wonder if the boxcar without the doors isn't a Rock
Island car, built by Pullman in 1913 with the heavy side sill. Like
the attached photo. The photo is too blurry to read the road
name.
Steve Hile
Indeed, that is an Illinois Central 50-foot
automobile boxcar. I don’t know why it lacks doors. CB&Q is to the right
and a partial UP car finishes the 50-foot cars.
The weathering variations on the cars in this image is also very
interesting.
Just a couple cars to the left of the IC boxcar is a BR&P boxcar.
This, and a companion negative with another BR&P boxcar, are two of the
only late 1920s images I’ve seen featuring a BR&P car. IIRC, the Van
Sweringens owned the BR&P at this time.
Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN
On May 5, 2019, at 2:56 PM, Claus Schlund
\(HGM\) < claus@...> wrote:
Hi List Members,
There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars
around in 1929, but there were some.
Here is a nice view of three different ones,
all gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken
in 1929.
Too bad the negative has some damage, and the
film resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I
think the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one
moving left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other
with the fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central?
Thoughts?
Enjoy!
Claus Schlund
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Hi Claus,
Nice pic. Gotta love those horse and wagon shots.
Thanks,
Ralph
Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No.
L2532
rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
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From: Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2019 12:51 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars
around in 1929
Hi Eric,
Yes, apparently the 'mystery car' is a Rock Island
car. It is not IC.
Compare the 'mystery car' in the link
below...
...with the attached example of the RI car series
that seems to match. According to my Dec 1930 ORER this is series RI
261000-261949. This agrees with Eric's candidate list.
Thanks Eric!
Claus Schlund
----- Original Message -----
From:
Eric Lombard
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] There were not a
lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929
Good Morning,
Everyone...
I agree with Eric: The did
not acquire *any* 50 foot single-sheathed cars with a deep fishbelly side
sill. There appear to be only three candidates for the mystery car:
Marks Series
Qty Date
Builder
RIA&L 261000-261124 125
1912 WSC
CRI&P 261125-261449 325
1912 WSC
CRI&P 261450-261949 500
1913
PUL
On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 9:12 AM Eric Hansmann
<eric@...> wrote:
Attached it is an edit of the image concentrating on the line of
cars on the right side of the original. I tweaked levels, contrast, and
brightness in Photoshop. Only one Lackawanna boxcar number came out well but
we can see hints of car letting on the two automobile boxcars.
I’m not certain if the fishbelly sidesill car is Illinois Central. I
thought it was at first and now wonder if it is a Rock Island car. When did
the R.I. reporting marks come into use? I see only two blurry initials for
the reporting marks.
I don't have a 1929 ORER at hand but can offer data from the October
1926 ORER for the 50-foot automobile boxcar quantities of the IC, CRI&P,
CB&Q, and UP.
Illinois Central listed 293 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or
more. These represented 1.2% of the 24,229 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar
fleet.
CRI&P listed 1448 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more.
These represented 4.6% of the 31,459 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar
fleet.
The CB&Q listed 982 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or
more. These represented 3.1% of the 31,612 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar
fleet.
Union Pacific listed 2606 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or
more. These represented 8.8% of the 29,532 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar
fleet.
Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN
There were not a lot
of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929, but there were
some.
Here is a nice view
of three different ones, all gathered together at the extreme right side of
the image, taken in 1929.
Too bad the negative
has some damage, and the film resolution is not quite where we can make out
the road numbers. I think the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union
Pacific, the next one moving left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make
out the other with the fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central?
Thoughts?
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Hi Claus,
I just took a closer look. They’re actually mules and wagon!
Great.
Thanks again.
Pax,
Ralph
Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No.
L2532
rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
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From: Ralph
W. Brown
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2019 2:52 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars
around in 1929
Hi Claus,
Nice pic. Gotta love those horse and wagon shots.
Thanks,
Ralph
Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No.
L2532
rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
From: Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2019 12:51 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars
around in 1929
Hi Eric,
Yes, apparently the 'mystery car' is a Rock Island
car. It is not IC.
Compare the 'mystery car' in the link
below...
...with the attached example of the RI car series
that seems to match. According to my Dec 1930 ORER this is series RI
261000-261949. This agrees with Eric's candidate list.
Thanks Eric!
Claus Schlund
----- Original Message -----
From:
Eric Lombard
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] There were not a
lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929
Good Morning,
Everyone...
I agree with Eric: The did
not acquire *any* 50 foot single-sheathed cars with a deep fishbelly side
sill. There appear to be only three candidates for the mystery car:
Marks Series
Qty Date
Builder
RIA&L 261000-261124 125
1912 WSC
CRI&P 261125-261449 325
1912 WSC
CRI&P 261450-261949 500
1913
PUL
On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 9:12 AM Eric Hansmann
<eric@...> wrote:
Attached it is an edit of the image concentrating on the line of
cars on the right side of the original. I tweaked levels, contrast, and
brightness in Photoshop. Only one Lackawanna boxcar number came out well but
we can see hints of car letting on the two automobile boxcars.
I’m not certain if the fishbelly sidesill car is Illinois Central. I
thought it was at first and now wonder if it is a Rock Island car. When did
the R.I. reporting marks come into use? I see only two blurry initials for
the reporting marks.
I don't have a 1929 ORER at hand but can offer data from the October
1926 ORER for the 50-foot automobile boxcar quantities of the IC, CRI&P,
CB&Q, and UP.
Illinois Central listed 293 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or
more. These represented 1.2% of the 24,229 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar
fleet.
CRI&P listed 1448 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more.
These represented 4.6% of the 31,459 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar
fleet.
The CB&Q listed 982 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or
more. These represented 3.1% of the 31,612 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar
fleet.
Union Pacific listed 2606 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or
more. These represented 8.8% of the 29,532 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar
fleet.
Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN
There were not a lot
of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929, but there were
some.
Here is a nice view
of three different ones, all gathered together at the extreme right side of
the image, taken in 1929.
Too bad the negative
has some damage, and the film resolution is not quite where we can make out
the road numbers. I think the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union
Pacific, the next one moving left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make
out the other with the fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central?
Thoughts?
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Can anyone
identify the structure with two or maybe three levels of track loading? I
presume the top level is for trucks.
Davo in
Orlando
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Eric
You can add CB&Q class XA-10 cars to your list. 46000-46481 were rebuilt at the company’s Aurora shops in 1926 from XA-5’s numbered 45000-45499 which had originally been built in 1913 by Haskell & Barker.
The dimensions and appearance of the two classes was very similar but, judging by the pairs of door stops, I think the car in the photo is an XA-10.
Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ
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Sent: Tuesday, 7 May 2019 5:31 a.m.
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929
Curiosity led me to see what my database could produce for "50" ft cars built before the end of 1929. I searched: New-built series; Inside length between 45-0 and 50-9; and in service 1928 or built new 1929.
the data come from equipment diagrams, the ORER, the ICC valuations, and various government, railroad, model, and historical publications.
The resulting output, 18,841 cars in 63 Series sorted by build date is attached. The build dates in the form 1-19xx are place holders. The year is documented but not the month. the data are reduced from the
complete data set available for each series.
There are some interesting series! One complete with the rara avis VanDorn ends. The ascendancy of steel underframes, vertical brake wheels,steel ends trucks can be picked out.
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Eric Lombard
Hello Everyone, again...
Rupert, I purposely did not include series rebuilt, or renumbered, or both. The rebuilt and renumbered series you list is indeed in the data. A couple of additional photos of the Pullman lot. All the RI series had auto end doors.
On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 2:56 PM Claus Schlund \(HGM\) < claus@...> wrote:
Hi List Members,
There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in
1929, but there were some.
Here is a nice view of three different ones, all
gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in
1929.
Too bad the negative has some damage, and the film
resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think the
rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving left
might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the fishbelly
underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?
Enjoy!
Claus Schlund
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The photo was taken at the DL&W Jersey City facilities in 1929. The top level may be a coal unloading dock to transfer coal from rail to barge or ship. I do not know the function of the second level. Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Wiggs Sent: Monday, May 6, 2019 2:13 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929 Can anyone identify the structure with two or maybe three levels of track loading? I presume the top level is for trucks.
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Thanks for the extra Rock Island data and the Excel file, Eric. These details are fascinating. Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Lombard
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2019 9:43 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929 Good Morning, Everyone... I agree with Eric: The did not acquire *any* 50 foot single-sheathed cars with a deep fishbelly side sill. There appear to be only three candidates for the mystery car: Marks Series Qty Date Builder RIA&L 261000-261124 125 1912 WSC CRI&P 261125-261449 325 1912 WSC CRI&P 261450-261949 500 1913 PUL On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 9:12 AM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote: Attached it is an edit of the image concentrating on the line of cars on the right side of the original. I tweaked levels, contrast, and brightness in Photoshop. Only one Lackawanna boxcar number came out well but we can see hints of car letting on the two automobile boxcars. I’m not certain if the fishbelly sidesill car is Illinois Central. I thought it was at first and now wonder if it is a Rock Island car. When did the R.I. reporting marks come into use? I see only two blurry initials for the reporting marks. I don't have a 1929 ORER at hand but can offer data from the October 1926 ORER for the 50-foot automobile boxcar quantities of the IC, CRI&P, CB&Q, and UP. Illinois Central listed 293 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 1.2% of the 24,229 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet. CRI&P listed 1448 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 4.6% of the 31,459 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet. The CB&Q listed 982 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 3.1% of the 31,612 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet. Union Pacific listed 2606 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 8.8% of the 29,532 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet. Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929, but there were some. Here is a nice view of three different ones, all gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in 1929. Too bad the negative has some damage, and the film resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?
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I see the ATSF Fe-M class, but not the Fe-K class.
Jim Gates
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On Mon, 5/6/19, Eric Lombard <elombard@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Date: Monday, May 6, 2019, 12:31 PM
Hello, again...
Curiosity led me to see what my database could produce for "50" ft cars built before the end of 1929. I searched: New-built series; Inside
length between 45-0 and 50-9; and in service 1928 or built new 1929. the data come from equipment diagrams, the ORER,
the ICC valuations, and various government, railroad, model, and historical publications.
The resulting output, 18,841 cars in 63 Series sorted by build date is attached. The build
dates in the form 1-19xx are place holders. The year is documented but not the month. the data are reduced from the
complete data set available for each series.
There are some interesting series!
One complete with the rara avis VanDorn ends. The ascendancy of steel underframes, vertical brake wheels,steel ends
trucks can be picked out.
Enjoy
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