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Super Clean Degreaser to remove lettering

A&Y Dave in MD
 



Nelson,

I went to the Dollar Store today and picked up a bottle of this stuff.  Poured a small amount into a cup leftover from Nyquil.  Dipped a cotton swab in the solution to wet the tip without drenching it. Applied the damp tip to the number on a Kadee boxcar (one of the new Southern ones I got yesterday).  Less than two minutes of scrubbing showed the numbering was coming off.  Within five minutes the number was gone.  The paint color could be seen on the swab, so it would remove the paint if you aren't careful.  I used the dry end of the cotton swab to wipe the area clean after the numeral was off.  I'm going to let it dry.  I probably should have washed it with water to ensure no further loosening of the paint.  But with the minimal amount of cleaner on the swab it seemed to evaporate fairly quickly.

It is much harder to remove the numeral on the end, but only because the size is so small and the contours of the end make it difficult to rub a swab.  I'll experiment with a toothpick and/or a microbrush later, once the sides are dried and sealed.

So Super Clean degreaser works on Accurail and Kadee lettering!  And at $1 for a 20 oz. bottle, I have a lifetime supply.  Nice!

I'll use my Ghost White Toner to print the new numerals.  The Kadee car apparently only came in one number so far.  I ordered two cars, hoping for two numbers.  This thread was timed well!   The car is a '48 build, so this will be for the FCSME 1955 era layout instead of my '34 era home layout. The car was well done and even though I have a ton of '55 era cars these were too good to pass up for this "y'all road" modeler.   Maybe I'll use the degreaser to remove the packing year and replace that for '53 or so.  

Thanks Nelson!

Dave Bott

Friday, May 24, 2019, 1:57:18 AM, you wrote:

Super Clean degreaser will lift lettering from Accurail cars in less than two hours without affecting the paint – unless you soak cars for a week and scrub hard with a toothbrush. I haven’t tried to selectively remove lettering or used it on Walthers cars.
 
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Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

A safety data sheet  on Super Clean Degreaser can be found at https://www.superclean.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/2016-SuperClean-Degreaser-SDS-v2.0.pdf . The product is corrosive to metals, and thus also to skin. Gloves and face/eye protection are recommended. I would use this stuff on the patio to allow quick vapor dispersal. (I do this with acetone/lacquer/nail polish remover which I use in making arrows).

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 5/25/19 11:35 PM, A&Y Dave in MD wrote:


Nelson,

I went to the Dollar Store today and picked up a bottle of this stuff.  Poured a small amount into a cup leftover from Nyquil.  Dipped a cotton swab in the solution to wet the tip without drenching it. Applied the damp tip to the number on a Kadee boxcar (one of the new Southern ones I got yesterday).  Less than two minutes of scrubbing showed the numbering was coming off.  Within five minutes the number was gone.  The paint color could be seen on the swab, so it would remove the paint if you aren't careful.  I used the dry end of the cotton swab to wipe the area clean after the numeral was off.  I'm going to let it dry.  I probably should have washed it with water to ensure no further loosening of the paint.  But with the minimal amount of cleaner on the swab it seemed to evaporate fairly quickly.

It is much harder to remove the numeral on the end, but only because the size is so small and the contours of the end make it difficult to rub a swab.  I'll experiment with a toothpick and/or a microbrush later, once the sides are dried and sealed.

So Super Clean degreaser works on Accurail and Kadee lettering!  And at $1 for a 20 oz. bottle, I have a lifetime supply.  Nice!

I'll use my Ghost White Toner to print the new numerals.  The Kadee car apparently only came in one number so far.  I ordered two cars, hoping for two numbers.  This thread was timed well!   The car is a '48 build, so this will be for the FCSME 1955 era layout instead of my '34 era home layout. The car was well done and even though I have a ton of '55 era cars these were too good to pass up for this "y'all road" modeler.   Maybe I'll use the degreaser to remove the packing year and replace that for '53 or so.  

Thanks Nelson!

Dave Bott

Friday, May 24, 2019, 1:57:18 AM, you wrote:

Super Clean degreaser will lift lettering from Accurail cars in less than two hours without affecting the paint – unless you soak cars for a week and scrub hard with a toothbrush. I haven’t tried to selectively remove lettering or used it on Walthers cars.
 
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Nelson Moyer
 

I have to give credit where it’s due. Jerry Hamsmith told me about Super Clean. He uses it to strip paint from Accurail hoppers as the first step in kitbashing them into CB&Q HK-10s. I’ve tried it once. I soaked the car for a couple of hours and the lettering came off when I gently brushed the sides with a soft toothbrush, but the paint remained intact. Since I wanted to strip the paint as well, I soaked it overnight and brushed it again. Nothing happened. After two days of soaking, the paint started to soften a little, and I was able to remove most of it, but not all. Finally after four days of soaking and brushing, I was able to completely remove all of the paint. I had tried soaking in 91% isopropanol for days, but that didn’t touch either the lettering or the paint.

 

 

Cotton swabs are mildly abrasive when you rub the car, so that’s probably why you saw color in the swab. Try soaking for 1-2 hr. and gently brushing, and the lettering should come off easily, leaving the base color untouched. Of course, that only applied when you want to remove all of the lettering. You’ll have to experiment with selective letter removal, Maybe cutting a patch of paper towel to cover the lettering you want to remove and keeping it wet longer before scraping would work better than rubbing with a swab. I’ve cut ends off toothpicks at an angle to make a chisel for scraping small lettering.

 

I’ve heard about ghost white toner, but never tried it. Do you need a dedicated laser printer, or can you switch back and forth between black and white toner in the same printer?

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of A&Y Dave in MD
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 10:36 PM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Super Clean Degreaser to remove lettering

 



Nelson,

I went to the Dollar Store today and picked up a bottle of this stuff.  Poured a small amount into a cup leftover from Nyquil.  Dipped a cotton swab in the solution to wet the tip without drenching it. Applied the damp tip to the number on a Kadee boxcar (one of the new Southern ones I got yesterday).  Less than two minutes of scrubbing showed the numbering was coming off.  Within five minutes the number was gone.  The paint color could be seen on the swab, so it would remove the paint if you aren't careful.  I used the dry end of the cotton swab to wipe the area clean after the numeral was off.  I'm going to let it dry.  I probably should have washed it with water to ensure no further loosening of the paint.  But with the minimal amount of cleaner on the swab it seemed to evaporate fairly quickly.

It is much harder to remove the numeral on the end, but only because the size is so small and the contours of the end make it difficult to rub a swab.  I'll experiment with a toothpick and/or a microbrush later, once the sides are dried and sealed.

So Super Clean degreaser works on Accurail and Kadee lettering!  And at $1 for a 20 oz. bottle, I have a lifetime supply.  Nice!

I'll use my Ghost White Toner to print the new numerals.  The Kadee car apparently only came in one number so far.  I ordered two cars, hoping for two numbers.  This thread was timed well!   The car is a '48 build, so this will be for the FCSME 1955 era layout instead of my '34 era home layout. The car was well done and even though I have a ton of '55 era cars these were too good to pass up for this "y'all road" modeler.   Maybe I'll use the degreaser to remove the packing year and replace that for '53 or so.  

Thanks Nelson!

Dave Bott

Nelson Moyer
 

Super Clean is a mild alkali with less than 5% by volume sodium hydroxide. It’s has a low vapor pressure so it’s not highly volatile like organic solvents, e.g. acetone, lacquer thinner, etc., and respiratory protection isn’t required. It’s safe to use in an enclosed environment. Skin/eye protection is important. I wear nitrile gloves and my glasses, and that’s sufficient.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 3:39 AM
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Friends,

A safety data sheet  on Super Clean Degreaser can be found at https://www.superclean.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/2016-SuperClean-Degreaser-SDS-v2.0.pdf . The product is corrosive to metals, and thus also to skin. Gloves and face/eye protection are recommended. I would use this stuff on the patio to allow quick vapor dispersal. (I do this with acetone/lacquer/nail polish remover which I use in making arrows).

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

Jon Miller
 

On 5/26/2019 6:49 AM, Nelson Moyer wrote:
I’ve heard about ghost white toner

    I also read up on the various white toners.  What I read was a dedicated machine.  However when I saw the price I quickly dropped the subject!:-D

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Dennis Storzek
 

On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 08:35 PM, A&Y Dave in MD wrote:
So Super Clean degreaser works on Accurail and Kadee lettering!
A word of warning. One of the reasons that Accurail makes no recommendation for a product to selectively remove lettering is over the past thirty years we have used paint from at least a dozen different suppliers. What works on one may not work so well on another, and neither we nor you have any way of telling which paint is under the lettering. I will assume that every other manufacturer has been forced to change paint suppliers for one reason or another. The key here is TEST. Find a hidden spot under or inside the model where you can test the solvent on the paint alone before committing to a highly noticeable spot on the model. Just because a certain solvent worked on one model of a particular brand does not mean it will be safe on all.

Dennis Storzek
Accurail, Inc.

A&Y Dave in MD
 

Nelson,

The Ghost White is a cartridge that replaces the black. I can switch.  I gave a clinic at the Greensberg, PA RPM on the Ghost White. I plan to give it at Winston-Salem’s Carolina RPM too.

Dave

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Nelson Moyer
 

What brand and model of printer do you use? I looked on the HP web site, but didn’t find any mention of a ghost white printer, must black and white and color. I have a LaserJet 1200, which is pretty old, so I doubt that a white toner cartridge would be available. Actually, the HP web site produced no hits when I searched for white toner.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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Nelson,

 

The Ghost White is a cartridge that replaces the black. I can switch.  I gave a clinic at the Greensberg, PA RPM on the Ghost White. I plan to give it at Winston-Salem’s Carolina RPM too.

 

Dave

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Douglas Harding
 

Nelson if you go to their website you can find if a white toner cartridges is available for your printer. https://www.ghost-white-toner.com/ghost-white-toner-for-your-printer/

When I looked into this a while back, white toner cartridges were only available for HP color laser printers. The technology will not work with a black/white laser printers.

It appears the company is now offering white toner cartridges that work in HP, Samsung, Canon and a few other brands of printers.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 4:12 PM
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What brand and model of printer do you use? I looked on the HP web site, but didn’t find any mention of a ghost white printer, must black and white and color. I have a LaserJet 1200, which is pretty old, so I doubt that a white toner cartridge would be available. Actually, the HP web site produced no hits when I searched for white toner.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of A&Y Dave in MD
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 12:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Super Clean Degreaser to remove lettering

 

Nelson,

 

The Ghost White is a cartridge that replaces the black. I can switch.  I gave a clinic at the Greensberg, PA RPM on the Ghost White. I plan to give it at Winston-Salem’s Carolina RPM too.

 

Dave

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Paul Woods <paul@...>
 

Speaking as someone who has handled sodium hydroxide in large quantities, I need to stress the part of Nelson's message regarding eye protection - it is crucial, because the stuff is quite nasty with respect to damaging vision.  Always wear eye protection.

Sodium hydroxide has a high reactivity with the eyes, causing permanent damage (unlike some kinds of chemical burns that will heal), so fGs don't get it in your eyes!  And if you do, run like aitch-E-double-toothpicks for the bathroom and rinse it out thoroughly.  For being a low concentration, the effects would not be immediately obvious - enclosed environment probably okay but I would work with a small fan nearby to prevent local build-up of vapor, just in case.  I always do that if dealing with any fumes, smoke from soldering, painting etc., regardless of how safe it may seem.

Would you believe, I have just found a safety guideline that advises in the event of contact with the eyes to flush the affected eye with running lukewarm water for 60 minutes - this is for concentrated sodium hydroxide, not the degreaser , but it should serve to demonstrate how nasty the stuff is.

Regards
Paul Woods

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