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UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

Ken Adams
 

I made a blooper bidding on some IM boxcar kits at an NMRA division meet. I wound up with 3 1957 built B-50-52 PS-1 cars instead of cars I could use built as is in my pre-1955 model era. The kits only cost me a total of $14 for the trio so not a great financial loss. I didn't realize how late they were until I got home and started some research. Relying on uphs.org/boxcars.htm, the only UP Pullman box cars built prior were the B-50-40 series from 1948. So the question is can these be backdated from a B-50-52 to a B-50-40 at least superficially?

I would need

  • Pullman 10/12 roofs to replace the kit 12/12 roof.
  • Superior 6 Panel Doors for a 10'6 car to replace the Pullman doors
  • Appropriate 1948-50 era decals
That would be enough for me. If it were an SP car these days I might be a little more fanatical. At least the roofs and doors are separate parts. I don't mind spending a few dollars to a little bashing to add some variety. 

The kits were old enough that they were marked "Manufactured in Colorado by Intermountain Tooling Specialist Inc."
 Your comments are always tolerated in spite of my thinning hair and skin.

KJA

Richard Townsend
 

I don't know how much this will help, but you can get the 10/12 roofs from the old McKean PS-1 kits. You would have to cut them off as they are molded integrally with the sides and ends (I have some McKean kits if you want to buy some cheap). The 6' doors of the B-50-40 were 7 panel, not six panel. Such doors are available, including from Kadee, which should be perfect. My ignorance of B-50-40 decals is comprehensive, so help in that regard will have to come from others.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Jun 2, 2019 3:06 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

I made a blooper bidding on some IM boxcar kits at an NMRA division meet. I wound up with 3 1957 built B-50-52 PS-1 cars instead of cars I could use built as is in my pre-1955 model era. The kits only cost me a total of $14 for the trio so not a great financial loss. I didn't realize how late they were until I got home and started some research. Relying on uphs.org/boxcars.htm, the only UP Pullman box cars built prior were the B-50-40 series from 1948. So the question is can these be backdated from a B-50-52 to a B-50-40 at least superficially?

I would need

  • Pullman 10/12 roofs to replace the kit 12/12 roof.
  • Superior 6 Panel Doors for a 10'6 car to replace the Pullman doors
  • Appropriate 1948-50 era decals
That would be enough for me. If it were an SP car these days I might be a little more fanatical. At least the roofs and doors are separate parts. I don't mind spending a few dollars to a little bashing to add some variety. 

The kits were old enough that they were marked "Manufactured in Colorado by Intermountain Tooling Specialist Inc."
 Your comments are always tolerated in spite of my thinning hair and skin.

KJA

Richard Townsend
 

Microscale 87-494 decals


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Townsend via Groups.Io <richtownsend@...>
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Sent: Sun, Jun 2, 2019 3:30 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

I don't know how much this will help, but you can get the 10/12 roofs from the old McKean PS-1 kits. You would have to cut them off as they are molded integrally with the sides and ends (I have some McKean kits if you want to buy some cheap). The 6' doors of the B-50-40 were 7 panel, not six panel. Such doors are available, including from Kadee, which should be perfect. My ignorance of B-50-40 decals is comprehensive, so help in that regard will have to come from others.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Jun 2, 2019 3:06 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

I made a blooper bidding on some IM boxcar kits at an NMRA division meet. I wound up with 3 1957 built B-50-52 PS-1 cars instead of cars I could use built as is in my pre-1955 model era. The kits only cost me a total of $14 for the trio so not a great financial loss. I didn't realize how late they were until I got home and started some research. Relying on uphs.org/boxcars.htm, the only UP Pullman box cars built prior were the B-50-40 series from 1948. So the question is can these be backdated from a B-50-52 to a B-50-40 at least superficially?

I would need

  • Pullman 10/12 roofs to replace the kit 12/12 roof.
  • Superior 6 Panel Doors for a 10'6 car to replace the Pullman doors
  • Appropriate 1948-50 era decals
That would be enough for me. If it were an SP car these days I might be a little more fanatical. At least the roofs and doors are separate parts. I don't mind spending a few dollars to a little bashing to add some variety. 

The kits were old enough that they were marked "Manufactured in Colorado by Intermountain Tooling Specialist Inc."
 Your comments are always tolerated in spite of my thinning hair and skin.

KJA

Ed Hawkins
 


On Jun 2, 2019, at 5:06 PM, Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...> wrote:

I made a blooper bidding on some IM boxcar kits at an NMRA division meet. I wound up with 3 1957 built B-50-52 PS-1 cars instead of cars I could use built as is in my pre-1955 model era. The kits only cost me a total of $14 for the trio so not a great financial loss. I didn't realize how late they were until I got home and started some research. Relying on uphs.org/boxcars.htm, the only UP Pullman box cars built prior were the B-50-40 series from 1948. So the question is can these be backdated from a B-50-52 to a B-50-40 at least superficially?

I would need

  • Pullman 10/12 roofs to replace the kit 12/12 roof.
  • Superior 6 Panel Doors for a 10'6 car to replace the Pullman doors
  • Appropriate 1948-50 era decal

Ken,
There are a number of changes that could be made to back-date the model, however, the significant issue is the UP B-50-40 PS-1 box cars built in 1948 came with 6’ door openings while the B-50-52 cars built in 1957 came with 8’ door openings.

To fit your pre-1955 modeling period, there are 40’ PS-1 box cars for other railroads that could be modeled using the same body without changing any primary features. Cars built in 1954 were SL-SF 18050-18549 or USAX 26912-27231 in which only the doors would require substituting with Youngstown or Superior 6-panel, respectively. 

In case you’re not aware, Kadee has announced the UP B-50-40 box car, which is planned for release in September 2019. Kadee is accepting advance reservations on their web site. Hope this helps. 

Regards,
Ed Hawkins






Richard Townsend
 

Here's another alternative. Get rid of the cars you bought, and go on eBay and buy the McKean PS-1 cars that were decorated by Evergreen Roundhouse. They are B-50-40 cars and not too expensive. 

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Jun 2, 2019 3:06 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

I made a blooper bidding on some IM boxcar kits at an NMRA division meet. I wound up with 3 1957 built B-50-52 PS-1 cars instead of cars I could use built as is in my pre-1955 model era. The kits only cost me a total of $14 for the trio so not a great financial loss. I didn't realize how late they were until I got home and started some research. Relying on uphs.org/boxcars.htm, the only UP Pullman box cars built prior were the B-50-40 series from 1948. So the question is can these be backdated from a B-50-52 to a B-50-40 at least superficially?

I would need

  • Pullman 10/12 roofs to replace the kit 12/12 roof.
  • Superior 6 Panel Doors for a 10'6 car to replace the Pullman doors
  • Appropriate 1948-50 era decals
That would be enough for me. If it were an SP car these days I might be a little more fanatical. At least the roofs and doors are separate parts. I don't mind spending a few dollars to a little bashing to add some variety. 

The kits were old enough that they were marked "Manufactured in Colorado by Intermountain Tooling Specialist Inc."
 Your comments are always tolerated in spite of my thinning hair and skin.

KJA

Tim O'Connor
 


This is the McKean model decorated by Evergreen Roundhouse.

It's not exactly correct. If I were building this model NOW, I would use the Kadee pre-1950 PS-1.

Tim O'Connor



On 6/2/2019 11:53 PM, Richard Townsend via Groups.Io wrote:
Here's another alternative. Get rid of the cars you bought, and go on eBay and buy the McKean PS-1 cars that were decorated by Evergreen Roundhouse. They are B-50-40 cars and not too expensive. 

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Benjamin Hom
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"This is the McKean model decorated by Evergreen Roundhouse.
It's not exactly correct. If I were building this model NOW, I would use the Kadee pre-1950 PS-1."

Ken, I agree with Tim.  While the Evergreen Roundhouse line has some of the nicest UP factory lettering ever offered, I'd wait until the pre-1950 Kadee PS-1 comes out unless you have an absolute life-or-death immediate need for a Class B-50-40.  The PS-1 is such a ubiquitous prototype that there's surely another off-line car that fits your needs that is closer to the Intermountain model.


Ben Hom

Richard Townsend
 

True enough, but at three times the price.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Jun 3, 2019 6:27 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"This is the McKean model decorated by Evergreen Roundhouse.
It's not exactly correct. If I were building this model NOW, I would use the Kadee pre-1950 PS-1."

Ken, I agree with Tim.  While the Evergreen Roundhouse line has some of the nicest UP factory lettering ever offered, I'd wait until the pre-1950 Kadee PS-1 comes out unless you have an absolute life-or-death immediate need for a Class B-50-40.  The PS-1 is such a ubiquitous prototype that there's surely another off-line car that fits your needs that is closer to the Intermountain model.


Ben Hom

Benjamin Hom
 

Richard Townshend wrote:
"True enough, but at three times the price."

...and a lot less rework required.  When you start bringing up hacking roofs off of other carbodies (frankly, it's just easier removing the corrugations), the point of diminishing returns comes up on you pretty quick. 


Ben Hom

Richard Townsend
 

Which is why I suggested the Evergreen Roundhouse car. Right roof, good graphics, for a car the OP said didn't need to be exact. YMMV. These were just suggested options. If I didn't already have three of the Evergreen Roundhouse cars I would get the Kadee car myself, but I do so I won't.

And just to be clear, the photo posted of the Evergreen B-50-40 is of one paint scheme, but it also came with the earlier scheme. Also, the roof hatches on that car were an option suggested in one of the kits. Both schemes are shown in this eBay listing: https://www.ebay.com/itm/2-McKean-Evergreen-Roundhouse-HO-40-PS-1-Boxcar-Kit-Union-Pacific-NEW-TRUCKS/333213295470?hash=item4d950f636e:g:qsIAAOSwHDlc68~p

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Jun 3, 2019 8:50 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

Richard Townshend wrote:
"True enough, but at three times the price."

...and a lot less rework required.  When you start bringing up hacking roofs off of other carbodies (frankly, it's just easier removing the corrugations), the point of diminishing returns comes up on you pretty quick. 


Ben Hom

Tim O'Connor
 


Richard, I agree - if you already have 'em, go with it.

The only modifications I made to the McKean car - besides better detail parts and the roof hatches -
was the tabs on the side sill. The ends were already riveted (correct) and as you say the roof is correct
too. And the lettering is excellent. The kits come with AAR underframes but that's not important enough
to toss out the models.

Tim O'



On 6/3/2019 12:04 PM, Richard Townsend via Groups.Io wrote:
Which is why I suggested the Evergreen Roundhouse car. Right roof, good graphics, for a car the OP said didn't need to be exact. YMMV. These were just suggested options. If I didn't already have three of the Evergreen Roundhouse cars I would get the Kadee car myself, but I do so I won't.

And just to be clear, the photo posted of the Evergreen B-50-40 is of one paint scheme, but it also came with the earlier scheme. Also, the roof hatches on that car were an option suggested in one of the kits. Both schemes are shown in this eBay listing: https://www.ebay.com/itm/2-McKean-Evergreen-Roundhouse-HO-40-PS-1-Boxcar-Kit-Union-Pacific-NEW-TRUCKS/333213295470?hash=item4d950f636e:g:qsIAAOSwHDlc68~p

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Ken Adams
 

Ed 
I like your suggestion of USAX 26912-27231 as my currently planned replacement layout includes the SP Avon, Contra Costa (junction for the San Ramon Valley Branch) which is 1 mile west of the Port Chicago Naval Magazine/Munitions depot and could easily see empty (hopefully not loaded) cars awaiting return movement.

The problem lies in finding suitable decals and painting information for military boxcars. I ran into this when I decided to build one of the Port Chicago ex D&RGW 36 foot wood box cars from an Accurail 14xx car. Painting was not a problem as I located a color photo of one of the cars when it  was donated to the Western Railway Museum. On a visit to the museum I was able to inspect one of  the two cars donated and in spite of it being repainted to D&RGW box car red, the under frame an brake gear were still in Navy light battleship grey. But decals were a problem. I wound up using Clover House dry transfers which luckily were specific to the car but which did not go on to well. ( I just tried to add a photo but it did not upload. see https://srandsp.blogspot.com/2018/12/us-navy-box-car-from-port-chicago.html)