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Great Freight Car Combinations


Steve Wolcott
 

The sill step on the Rio Grande boxcar is also bent in.
Steve Wolcott


Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

   I stumbled onto that that full Erie car photo too, Schuyler, while looking over that beautiful C of G steam power and agree
that all three of the stirrup steps seen are angled inward.

   The heater is of the Elesco family and is usually refered to as a "coil" instead of the more familiar "bundle" as the tubular
design is called. If you ever saw all of the Steamtwn ex-CPR G-5 class 4-6-2's you may have photographed #1293 with the
same style of "coil" unit thought they came with slightly different shapes as well rather than only different sizes like the "coil"
units.

God to meet you at the NEPRO meet, Don Valentine


gary laakso
 

A wonderful picture, thank you for sharing and it features chalk marks at the end of the flat car.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Madden via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 4:21 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Great Freight Car Combinations

 

On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 04:07 PM, Jack Mullen wrote:

On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 08:00 PM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

It’s pretty clear that the steps ARE bent inwards from the usual plane of the car side.

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1944-Columbus-Georgia/i-xxqfnfK/A

Indeed, and if you look around in the photo Schuyler linked, you'll see steps on the Rio Grande and WLE boxcars are also bent inward. Must be operating on a club layout. ("Huh, THAT isn't very sturdy! I build MY cars to OPERATE.")

Seriously, once to start looking, you'll see these a lot. The bend is by design, not damage (though that happens too). It's a consequence of the inward taper of the clearance envelope below the level of the side sill.  When the inside width of house cars expanded to 9'2", width over the side sills became about 9'10".  But the bottom of the step is at a height of 2' or a couple inches less ATR , where the max width has reduced to about 9'8".  

Attached is a photo showing two views of an undamaged sill step on D&RGW Pressed Steel boxcar 69332 showing the designed-in bend. It's the step on the right. Pierre offers this step, Yarmouth part #YMW-216.

Tom Madden


Tom Madden
 

On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 04:07 PM, Jack Mullen wrote:
On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 08:00 PM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

It’s pretty clear that the steps ARE bent inwards from the usual plane of the car side.

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1944-Columbus-Georgia/i-xxqfnfK/A

Indeed, and if you look around in the photo Schuyler linked, you'll see steps on the Rio Grande and WLE boxcars are also bent inward. Must be operating on a club layout. ("Huh, THAT isn't very sturdy! I build MY cars to OPERATE.")

Seriously, once to start looking, you'll see these a lot. The bend is by design, not damage (though that happens too). It's a consequence of the inward taper of the clearance envelope below the level of the side sill.  When the inside width of house cars expanded to 9'2", width over the side sills became about 9'10".  But the bottom of the step is at a height of 2' or a couple inches less ATR , where the max width has reduced to about 9'8".  
Attached is a photo showing two views of an undamaged sill step on D&RGW Pressed Steel boxcar 69332 showing the designed-in bend. It's the step on the right. Pierre offers this step, Yarmouth part #YMW-216.

Tom Madden


Jack Mullen
 

On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 08:00 PM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

It’s pretty clear that the steps ARE bent inwards from the usual plane of the car side.

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1944-Columbus-Georgia/i-xxqfnfK/A

Indeed, and if you look around in the photo Schuyler linked, you'll see steps on the Rio Grande and WLE boxcars are also bent inward. Must be operating on a club layout. ("Huh, THAT isn't very sturdy! I build MY cars to OPERATE.")

Seriously, once to start looking, you'll see these a lot. The bend is by design, not damage (though that happens too). It's a consequence of the inward taper of the clearance envelope below the level of the side sill.  When the inside width of house cars expanded to 9'2", width over the side sills became about 9'10".  But the bottom of the step is at a height of 2' or a couple inches less ATR , where the max width has reduced to about 9'8".  

Jack Mullen


gary laakso
 

Schuyler, the device is an Elesco coil type feedwater heater, a favorite of the Central of Georgia. 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 8:00 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Great Freight Car Combinations

 

Gary, here’s another look at the ERIE car, and in this view you can see both ends of the car, plus the other side of the near end.  It’s pretty clear that the steps ARE bent inwards from the usual plane of the car side.

 

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1944-Columbus-Georgia/i-xxqfnfK/A

 

Schuyler

 

Interesting collection of photos to wander through.  I have another question: several of the locomotives have an oval-in-plan device at the top of the smokebox in front of the stack.  What’s that?  Some less common form of a feedwater heater?

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of gary laakso
Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2019 10:43 PM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Great Freight Car Combinations

 

The nearest track features a PRR X31 boxcar and two types of flat cars and the adjoining track has what appears to be a pulp wood car, CB&Q double sheathed boxcar, a pickle car, and a 1937 GN boxcar.  Is the stirrup on the Erie boxcar bent towards the truck or is it the camera playing tricks?

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1944-Columbus-Georgia/i-FX2N8GC/A 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 


Schuyler Larrabee
 

Gary, here’s another look at the ERIE car, and in this view you can see both ends of the car, plus the other side of the near end.  It’s pretty clear that the steps ARE bent inwards from the usual plane of the car side.

 

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1944-Columbus-Georgia/i-xxqfnfK/A

 

Schuyler

 

Interesting collection of photos to wander through.  I have another question: several of the locomotives have an oval-in-plan device at the top of the smokebox in front of the stack.  What’s that?  Some less common form of a feedwater heater?

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of gary laakso
Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2019 10:43 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Great Freight Car Combinations

 

The nearest track features a PRR X31 boxcar and two types of flat cars and the adjoining track has what appears to be a pulp wood car, CB&Q double sheathed boxcar, a pickle car, and a 1937 GN boxcar.  Is the stirrup on the Erie boxcar bent towards the truck or is it the camera playing tricks?

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1944-Columbus-Georgia/i-FX2N8GC/A 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 


Schuyler Larrabee
 

Gary. I think that sill step on the ERIE car IS bent inwards . . . look at the step on the other side . . . but I also think that it’s been bent lengthwise, too, so you’re getting a sort of double whammy of bending

 

Clearly, you observed that rather fuzzy photo closely!

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of gary laakso
Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2019 10:43 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Great Freight Car Combinations

 

The nearest track features a PRR X31 boxcar and two types of flat cars and the adjoining track has what appears to be a pulp wood car, CB&Q double sheathed boxcar, a pickle car, and a 1937 GN boxcar.  Is the stirrup on the Erie boxcar bent towards the truck or is it the camera playing tricks?

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1944-Columbus-Georgia/i-FX2N8GC/A 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 


gary laakso
 

The nearest track features a PRR X31 boxcar and two types of flat cars and the adjoining track has what appears to be a pulp wood car, CB&Q double sheathed boxcar, a pickle car, and a 1937 GN boxcar.  Is the stirrup on the Erie boxcar bent towards the truck or is it the camera playing tricks?

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1944-Columbus-Georgia/i-FX2N8GC/A 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock