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Tim O'Connor
 


Before cushion underframes and DF belt rails - look how liquor was shipped in a box car!

https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/xt7z348gg90h_5_365?q=freight+car&offset=300&per_page=100

Tim O'



On 6/12/2019 4:47 PM, Bill Welch wrote:
Here is link for L&N gon: https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/?q=gondola

There are several photos. This is actually one of one thousand USRA copies purchased by the L&N. The clues are the cast side frame trucks instead of Andrews and their lack of diagonal braces on the end panels. Easily modeled with the very fines InterMountain kit. Attached is a photo of models of both original and copy.

Bill Welch

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Charles Peck
 

It looks like cardboard for recycling to me.  Perhaps part of the WW II war effort?
Chuck Peck

On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 7:40 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Before cushion underframes and DF belt rails - look how liquor was shipped in a box car!

https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/xt7z348gg90h_5_365?q=freight+car&offset=300&per_page=100

Tim O'



On 6/12/2019 4:47 PM, Bill Welch wrote:

Here is link for L&N gon: https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/?q=gondola

There are several photos. This is actually one of one thousand USRA copies purchased by the L&N. The clues are the cast side frame trucks instead of Andrews and their lack of diagonal braces on the end panels. Easily modeled with the very fines InterMountain kit. Attached is a photo of models of both original and copy.

Bill Welch

Attachments:


Jack Mullen
 

On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 04:39 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
look how liquor was shipped in a box car!
All cardboard and no liquor. Must be one of the dry counties in Kentucky. ;^)

Jack Mullen


William Hirt
 

That is just cardboard looking to be returned/reused. Here is a image of cases of beer being loaded in a boxcar at the Falstaff Brewery on the CB&Q in Omaha in 1948:

<http://collections.carli.illinois.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/nby_rrlife/id/518/rec/2>

Bill Hirt

On 6/12/2019 6:39 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Before cushion underframes and DF belt rails - look how liquor was shipped in a box car!

https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/xt7z348gg90h_5_365?q=freight+car&offset=300&per_page=100

Tim O'



On 6/12/2019 4:47 PM, Bill Welch wrote:

 
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prr6380
 

The Falstaff beer being loaded is beer in returnable bottles.  The cardboard case had easily opened and closed top flaps.  The case and the bottles were paid a deposit and were refunded on return to the dealer.  The bottles were cleaned and refilled at the brewery.  During the whole round trip the cases were handled individually as the men were shown doing in the photo. 

Walt Stafa


Charles Happel
 

Sort of an early version of recycling.

Chuck Happel

My mother loved children - she would have given anything if I had been one. Groucho Marx


On Thursday, June 13, 2019, 10:22:30 AM EDT, prr6380 via Groups.Io <prr6380@...> wrote:


The Falstaff beer being loaded is beer in returnable bottles.  The cardboard case had easily opened and closed top flaps.  The case and the bottles were paid a deposit and were refunded on return to the dealer.  The bottles were cleaned and refilled at the brewery.  During the whole round trip the cases were handled individually as the men were shown doing in the photo. 

Walt Stafa


William Hirt
 

This photo from the same collection shows a several large stacks of returned cases under a tarp as a CB&Q switcher sets cars to be loaded. 9203 was the Q's first NW2. It has a large herald under the cab and cab numbering that was different from standard Q switcher scheme at the time.

Freight car content: The first car behind is the switcher is B&O 479097 (Class M-55ha/M-55hb?) that is only year or so old. The next car is a SSW Wood Sheathed Boxcar whose number I can not identify. The third is an outside braced car that is a CB&Q car that might be a Class XA-7 built by Pullman in 1922 or Class XA-8 built by Pullman in 1925 that had both 6' and 4' sliding doors. Obviously no longer in auto service and was then in general service.

<http://collections.carli.illinois.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/nby_rrlife/id/516/rec/1>

Bill Hirt

On 6/13/2019 9:22 AM, prr6380 via Groups.Io wrote:
The Falstaff beer being loaded is beer in returnable bottles.  The cardboard case had easily opened and closed top flaps.  The case and the bottles were paid a deposit and were refunded on return to the dealer.  The bottles were cleaned and refilled at the brewery.  During the whole round trip the cases were handled individually as the men were shown doing in the photo. 

Walt Stafa
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Tim O'Connor
 


B&O 467097 is I think an M-55h.

467039, 467071, 467439, and 467449 were all painted in the blue & orange TimeSaver LCL scheme


On 6/13/2019 2:15 PM, William Hirt wrote:

This photo from the same collection shows a several large stacks of returned cases under a tarp as a CB&Q switcher sets cars to be loaded. 9203 was the Q's first NW2. It has a large herald under the cab and cab numbering that was different from standard Q switcher scheme at the time.

Freight car content: The first car behind is the switcher is B&O 479097 (Class M-55ha/M-55hb?) that is only year or so old. The next car is a SSW Wood Sheathed Boxcar whose number I can not identify. The third is an outside braced car that is a CB&Q car that might be a Class XA-7 built by Pullman in 1922 or Class XA-8 built by Pullman in 1925 that had both 6' and 4' sliding doors. Obviously no longer in auto service and was then in general service.

<http://collections.carli.illinois.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/nby_rrlife/id/516/rec/1>

Bill Hirt

On 6/13/2019 9:22 AM, prr6380 via Groups.Io wrote:
The Falstaff beer being loaded is beer in returnable bottles.  The cardboard case had easily opened and closed top flaps.  The case and the bottles were paid a deposit and were refunded on return to the dealer.  The bottles were cleaned and refilled at the brewery.  During the whole round trip the cases were handled individually as the men were shown doing in the photo. 

Walt Stafa


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


William Hirt
 

Tim thanks for catching my typo!

Bill Hirt

On 6/13/2019 4:10 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

B&O 467097 is I think an M-55h.

467039, 467071, 467439, and 467449 were all painted in the blue & orange TimeSaver LCL scheme


On 6/13/2019 2:15 PM, William Hirt wrote:

This photo from the same collection shows a several large stacks of returned cases under a tarp as a CB&Q switcher sets cars to be loaded. 9203 was the Q's first NW2. It has a large herald under the cab and cab numbering that was different from standard Q switcher scheme at the time.

Freight car content: The first car behind is the switcher is B&O 479097 (Class M-55ha/M-55hb?) that is only year or so old. The next car is a SSW Wood Sheathed Boxcar whose number I can not identify. The third is an outside braced car that is a CB&Q car that might be a Class XA-7 built by Pullman in 1922 or Class XA-8 built by Pullman in 1925 that had both 6' and 4' sliding doors. Obviously no longer in auto service and was then in general service.

<http://collections.carli.illinois.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/nby_rrlife/id/516/rec/1>

Bill Hirt

On 6/13/2019 9:22 AM, prr6380 via Groups.Io wrote:
The Falstaff beer being loaded is beer in returnable bottles.  The cardboard case had easily opened and closed top flaps.  The case and the bottles were paid a deposit and were refunded on return to the dealer.  The bottles were cleaned and refilled at the brewery.  During the whole round trip the cases were handled individually as the men were shown doing in the photo. 

Walt Stafa


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


David Soderblom
 

Radial roof, right?



David Soderblom
Baltimore MD USA
drs@stsci.edu


Benjamin Hom
 

Dave Soderblom asked:
"Radial roof, right?"

Bit of a non-sequitur - which car are you referring to? If the B&O Class M-55H, the answer is no.


Ben Hom


rwitt_2000
 

B&O class M-55h did have Duryea underframes.

Bob Witt


rwitt_2000
 

There are these two:

https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/xt7sf7664q86_6112_1?q=railroad+car&per_page=20

https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/xt7sf7664q86_6115_1?q=railroad+car&per_page=20

If these photos were taken for damage claims the first has a shifted lumber load.  The second, the gondola loaded with coal, it looks like it smashed the draft gear of the gondola to its right.

Bob Witt


 

In the second photo, the gin on the left has a buckled side. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Jun 14, 2019, at 8:26 PM, rwitt_2000 via Groups.Io <rwitt_2000@...> wrote:

There are these two:

https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/xt7sf7664q86_6112_1?q=railroad+car&per_page=20

https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/xt7sf7664q86_6115_1?q=railroad+car&per_page=20

If these photos were taken for damage claims the first has a shifted lumber load.  The second, the gondola loaded with coal, it looks like it smashed the draft gear of the gondola to its right.

Bob Witt