InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners
InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners
The company is taking reservations. Are these worth having?
https://intermountain-railway.com/modelersclub/?page_id=2677
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
"InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners
The company is taking reservations. Are these worth having?
https://intermountain-railway.com/modelersclub/?page_id=2677
As a classic NFL commercial series once said, "You be the judge."
http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/1937aarmain.html
Ben Hom
InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners
The company is taking reservations. Are these worth having?
https://intermountain-railway.com/modelersclub/?page_id=2677
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners
The company is taking reservations. Are these worth having?
https://intermountain-railway.com/modelersclub/?page_id=2677
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
CN 474- series shown had different (flat panel) roofs
C&O series 5250-5399 had 3 panel Creco doors and
5400-5499 had "Deco" car builder ends
NKP series 15000-15999 should have 8-rung ladders
SLSF series .. what can I say, I think an Intermountain employee
found these car numbers on a slip of paper removed from a rear orifice
SLSF did have 1937 AAR box cars with other numbers, and Duryea underframes
SOU series - these appear to be ok! will wonders never cease?
T&P 14000 series - all good, although the photo shows the wrong door
Tim O'Connor
On 6/24/2019 4:13 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:
InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners
The company is taking reservations. Are these worth having?
https://intermountain-railway.com/modelersclub/?page_id=2677
Bob Chaparro
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Bob -
CN 474- series shown had different (flat panel) roofs
C&O series 5250-5399 had 3 panel Creco doors and
5400-5499 had "Deco" car builder ends
NKP series 15000-15999 should have 8-rung ladders
SLSF series .. what can I say, I think an Intermountain employee
found these car numbers on a slip of paper removed from a rear orifice
SLSF did have 1937 AAR box cars with other numbers, and Duryea underframes
SOU series - these appear to be ok! will wonders never cease?
T&P 14000 series - all good, although the photo shows the wrong door
Tim O'Connor
On 6/24/2019 4:13 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:
InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners
The company is taking reservations. Are these worth having?
https://intermountain-railway.com/modelersclub/?page_id=2677
Bob Chaparro
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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
From: James Lackner <gp40p2@...>
To: main <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Jun 25, 2019 8:03 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners
Bob -
CN 474- series shown had different (flat panel) roofs
C&O series 5250-5399 had 3 panel Creco doors and
5400-5499 had "Deco" car builder ends
NKP series 15000-15999 should have 8-rung ladders
SLSF series .. what can I say, I think an Intermountain employee
found these car numbers on a slip of paper removed from a rear orifice
SLSF did have 1937 AAR box cars with other numbers, and Duryea underframes
SOU series - these appear to be ok! will wonders never cease?
T&P 14000 series - all good, although the photo shows the wrong door
Tim O'Connor
On 6/24/2019 4:13 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:
InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square CornersThe company is taking reservations. Are these worth having?Bob Chaparro
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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Ron Merrick
It's the details that count. Why not contact IM with tips and hints how to refine a car, so it becomes an almost perfect model?
It costs just as much to create a monster as it does to create a stunning interpretation of the real thing (take Kadee or Tangent for example).
Slightly out of the scope of this group but just to illustrate how things can go terribly wrong:
Rapido has introduced many different versions of their ultimate RDC's the last three years.
For the WP RDC-2 I offered them help and sent them a picture of the real thing.
They didn't need any help.
Result is their otherwise beautifully crafted WP RDC-2 (with barrel headlight and raised numberboards à la WP) now features a full size grab iron ladder, which the real thing never had.
Just to say. More communication between the model RR aces and the manufacturers would be appreciated.
Fred Jansz
Auburn, AL
On Jun 26, 2019, at 8:01 AM, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:
I'd appreciate it if there was much more communication between the specialists in the field -like there are many here online- and a manufacturer like Intermountain.
It's the details that count. Why not contact IM with tips and hints how to refine a car, so it becomes an almost perfect model?
It costs just as much to create a monster as it does to create a stunning interpretation of the real thing (take Kadee or Tangent for example).
Slightly out of the scope of this group but just to illustrate how things can go terribly wrong:
Rapido has introduced many different versions of their ultimate RDC's the last three years.
For the WP RDC-2 I offered them help and sent them a picture of the real thing.
They didn't need any help.
Result is their otherwise beautifully crafted WP RDC-2 (with barrel headlight and raised numberboards à la WP) now features a full size grab iron ladder, which the real thing never had.
Just to say. More communication between the model RR aces and the manufacturers would be appreciated.
Fred Jansz
I reserved and paid for one with a local dealer 5-6 years ago now. So much for such announcements.
J. Stephen Sandifer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 10:58 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners
Those are still on the "reserve now" status, so I guess they are still coming.
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
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From: James Lackner <gp40p2@...>
To: main <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Jun 25, 2019 8:03 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners
At one time, there was reference to IM doing the C&O cars with the "deco" ends. I wonder if that is in this run, or has that idea been dropped?
Jim Lackner
On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 6:27 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
Bob -
CN 474- series shown had different (flat panel) roofs
C&O series 5250-5399 had 3 panel Creco doors and
5400-5499 had "Deco" car builder ends
NKP series 15000-15999 should have 8-rung ladders
SLSF series .. what can I say, I think an Intermountain employee
found these car numbers on a slip of paper removed from a rear orifice
SLSF did have 1937 AAR box cars with other numbers, and Duryea underframes
SOU series - these appear to be ok! will wonders never cease?
T&P 14000 series - all good, although the photo shows the wrong door
Tim O'Connor
On 6/24/2019 4:13 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners
The company is taking reservations. Are these worth having?
Bob Chaparro
--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
I offered to help Rapido with the Santa Fe RDCs and they asked for more. They were eager to get the details on those right. I would love to have a set but they are not in my budget.
J. Stephen Sandifer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Fred Jansz
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 8:02 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners
I'd appreciate it if there was much more communication between the specialists in the field -like there are many here online- and a manufacturer like Intermountain.
It's the details that count. Why not contact IM with tips and hints how to refine a car, so it becomes an almost perfect model?
It costs just as much to create a monster as it does to create a stunning interpretation of the real thing (take Kadee or Tangent for example).
Slightly out of the scope of this group but just to illustrate how things can go terribly wrong:
Rapido has introduced many different versions of their ultimate RDC's the last three years.
For the WP RDC-2 I offered them help and sent them a picture of the real thing.
They didn't need any help.
Result is their otherwise beautifully crafted WP RDC-2 (with barrel headlight and raised numberboards à la WP) now features a full size grab iron ladder, which the real thing never had.
Just to say. More communication between the model RR aces and the manufacturers would be appreciated.
Fred Jansz
Fred,
I’m a little puzzled by your comments…
1) This is another “somebody ought to…” post. Dude, please shelve your expectations that somehow someone has an obligation to you or anyone else in the “modeling world”. I also spend enough time working with companies that I know that every model has compromises. They have to, or they won’t get produced.
2) The IM boxcar in question is not new tooling but is the old RC tooling. IM isn’t going to “fix” any perceived “errors” in a tool that they bought… so you’re definitely barking up the wrong tree here.
3) Let me explain something about Rapido. It’s a Canadian company, primarily based on the sales of Canadian prototypes. I and many others (on this very list) have an outstanding and ongoing relationship with Rapido and I know that they really do care. BUT, in order to make the company work, they often take specific prototypes and paint them for other railroads, in order to increase their sales enough that they can feed their families. So your WP RDC issue may have nothing at all to do with prototype references or resources and everything to do with economics.
Sincerely,Bruce
Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
On Jun 26, 2019, at 8:01 AM, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:
I'd appreciate it if there was much more communication between the specialists in the field -like there are many here online- and a manufacturer like Intermountain.
It's the details that count. Why not contact IM with tips and hints how to refine a car, so it becomes an almost perfect model?
It costs just as much to create a monster as it does to create a stunning interpretation of the real thing (take Kadee or Tangent for example).
Slightly out of the scope of this group but just to illustrate how things can go terribly wrong:
Rapido has introduced many different versions of their ultimate RDC's the last three years.
For the WP RDC-2 I offered them help and sent them a picture of the real thing.
They didn't need any help.
Result is their otherwise beautifully crafted WP RDC-2 (with barrel headlight and raised numberboards à la WP) now features a full size grab iron ladder, which the real thing never had.
Just to say. More communication between the model RR aces and the manufacturers would be appreciated.
Fred Jansz
Looking over the Intermountain announcement left me wondering.Can I assume these will be kits? RTR? Where did I overlook this detail?Chuck PeckOn Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 9:48 AM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:Fred,
I’m a little puzzled by your comments…
1) This is another “somebody ought to…” post. Dude, please shelve your expectations that somehow someone has an obligation to you or anyone else in the “modeling world”. I also spend enough time working with companies that I know that every model has compromises. They have to, or they won’t get produced.
2) The IM boxcar in question is not new tooling but is the old RC tooling. IM isn’t going to “fix” any perceived “errors” in a tool that they bought… so you’re definitely barking up the wrong tree here.
3) Let me explain something about Rapido. It’s a Canadian company, primarily based on the sales of Canadian prototypes. I and many others (on this very list) have an outstanding and ongoing relationship with Rapido and I know that they really do care. BUT, in order to make the company work, they often take specific prototypes and paint them for other railroads, in order to increase their sales enough that they can feed their families. So your WP RDC issue may have nothing at all to do with prototype references or resources and everything to do with economics.
Sincerely,Bruce
Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
On Jun 26, 2019, at 8:01 AM, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:
I'd appreciate it if there was much more communication between the specialists in the field -like there are many here online- and a manufacturer like Intermountain.
It's the details that count. Why not contact IM with tips and hints how to refine a car, so it becomes an almost perfect model?
It costs just as much to create a monster as it does to create a stunning interpretation of the real thing (take Kadee or Tangent for example).
Slightly out of the scope of this group but just to illustrate how things can go terribly wrong:
Rapido has introduced many different versions of their ultimate RDC's the last three years.
For the WP RDC-2 I offered them help and sent them a picture of the real thing.
They didn't need any help.
Result is their otherwise beautifully crafted WP RDC-2 (with barrel headlight and raised numberboards à la WP) now features a full size grab iron ladder, which the real thing never had.
Just to say. More communication between the model RR aces and the manufacturers would be appreciated.
Fred Jansz
Regards
Bruce
Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
On Jun 26, 2019, at 10:43 AM, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io <prrk41361@...> wrote:
All RTR. Ready to rebuild.
Brian J. CarlsonLooking over the Intermountain announcement left me wondering.Can I assume these will be kits? RTR? Where did I overlook this detail?Chuck Peck
On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 9:48 AM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Fred,
I’m a little puzzled by your comments…
1) This is another “somebody ought to…” post. Dude, please shelve your expectations that somehow someone has an obligation to you or anyone else in the “modeling world”. I also spend enough time working with companies that I know that every model has compromises. They have to, or they won’t get produced.
2) The IM boxcar in question is not new tooling but is the old RC tooling. IM isn’t going to “fix” any perceived “errors” in a tool that they bought… so you’re definitely barking up the wrong tree here.
3) Let me explain something about Rapido. It’s a Canadian company, primarily based on the sales of Canadian prototypes. I and many others (on this very list) have an outstanding and ongoing relationship with Rapido and I know that they really do care. BUT, in order to make the company work, they often take specific prototypes and paint them for other railroads, in order to increase their sales enough that they can feed their families. So your WP RDC issue may have nothing at all to do with prototype references or resources and everything to do with economics.
Sincerely,Bruce
Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
On Jun 26, 2019, at 8:01 AM, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:
I'd appreciate it if there was much more communication between the specialists in the field -like there are many here online- and a manufacturer like Intermountain.
It's the details that count. Why not contact IM with tips and hints how to refine a car, so it becomes an almost perfect model?
It costs just as much to create a monster as it does to create a stunning interpretation of the real thing (take Kadee or Tangent for example).
Slightly out of the scope of this group but just to illustrate how things can go terribly wrong:
Rapido has introduced many different versions of their ultimate RDC's the last three years.
For the WP RDC-2 I offered them help and sent them a picture of the real thing.
They didn't need any help.
Result is their otherwise beautifully crafted WP RDC-2 (with barrel headlight and raised numberboards à la WP) now features a full size grab iron ladder, which the real thing never had.
Just to say. More communication between the model RR aces and the manufacturers would be appreciated.
Fred Jansz
I offered to help Rapido with the Santa Fe RDCs and they asked for more. They were eager to get the details on those right. I would love to have a set but they are not in my budget.
J. Stephen Sandifer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Fred Jansz
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 8:02 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners
I'd appreciate it if there was much more communication between the specialists in the field -like there are many here online- and a manufacturer like Intermountain.
It's the details that count. Why not contact IM with tips and hints how to refine a car, so it becomes an almost perfect model?
It costs just as much to create a monster as it does to create a stunning interpretation of the real thing (take Kadee or Tangent for example).
Slightly out of the scope of this group but just to illustrate how things can go terribly wrong:
Rapido has introduced many different versions of their ultimate RDC's the last three years.
For the WP RDC-2 I offered them help and sent them a picture of the real thing.
They didn't need any help.
Result is their otherwise beautifully crafted WP RDC-2 (with barrel headlight and raised numberboards à la WP) now features a full size grab iron ladder, which the real thing never had.
Just to say. More communication between the model RR aces and the manufacturers would be appreciated.
Fred Jansz
They did some research (not enough), added the WP barrel headlight and the WP raised number boards and were convinced their WP RDC-2 was 100% prototipical, like the others in the RDC herd. So that's why I placed my order.
Adding a grab ladder to the thing was a mistake, made in China (according to them).
They tried to correct it, which couldn't be done without damaging the model (which had been returned to China before due to an other issue).
Bad luck, not intended 'to sell more'.
BTW: I have a couple of those 1937 IM/former RC cars and the 'square' edges of the ends are a bit too square to my taste.
Also the rivet line is almost under the ladder and not on the edge of the end.
Apart from that the '37 car, lettered for 'my road' WP is 9'6" (maybe even 10' in model), while the real WP car (20001-series) is just 9' tall.
Speedwitch is the only one who ever made a 9' model of this car and I have two, so I'll pass on the IM car.
Fred Jansz
Picture: Red Caboose version of the car in question.
Other picture is the IM version of this car wich was issued decades ago and has a fake herald which is also too large. Ends and roof are bc brown, which should be black. Some input from a WP specialist might have led to another result in this case... just saying.
It's the details that count. Why not contact IM with tips and hints how to refine a car, so it becomes an almost perfect model?