Photo: Santa Fe Gondola
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Photo: Santa Fe Gondola Fairly good interior shot of unidentified drop-end gondola from the Kansas State Historical Society taken in 1950: https://www.kansasmemory.org/item/50620 Click on the photo to enlarge it. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Jake Schaible
Bob - from my incomplete collection of loose ATSF 211/4 folio sheets, her "end knees" and pressed steel sides looks to be from the GA-68 to 70 class (as well as perhaps later) first issued in 1949 by Pressed Steel Car Company. Date would seem to fit as well. My guess is that it is the longer GA-70 (truck center of 56'10 3/4") vs the shorter GA-68/69 (43'6 3/4") But again, this is only a guess as I have the drwgs with ends as modified in 1977. Happy hunting...
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Jack Mullen
The end view appears to show the narrow width characteristic of 65' mill gons, such as the Ga-70.
Jack Mullen
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charles slater
Assuming that is a Santa Fe gondola, it would be either a Ga-91 class car numbered 168400-168549 built in 1955 by Santa Fe or a Ga-103 class car numbered 168150-168399 also built be Santa Fe in 1958. It would be nice if there was a car number for the car. Those
are the only two classes of mill gondolas with that type of ends.
Charlie Slater
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Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2019 11:22 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Santa Fe Gondola Photo: Santa Fe Gondola Fairly good interior shot of unidentified drop-end gondola from the Kansas State Historical Society taken in 1950: https://www.kansasmemory.org/item/50620 Click on the photo to enlarge it. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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If the 1950 date is only slightly off, this could be a builder photo of a Ga-76 mill gondola built in 1951. These were the first ATSF 65 foot mill gondolas built at Topeka. Tim O'Connor
On 7/6/2019 2:22 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Charlie, what type of end do you mean? Drop ends? There were certainly more classes of Santa Fe gondolas with drop ends, than just two. At first I thought it could be a Ga-103 but I wondered if the plain bearing trucks would have been applied in 1958 to a brand new mill gondola. The only photo I have of one shows roller bearing trucks. Tim O'Connor
On 7/7/2019 12:49 PM, charles slater wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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charles slater
Tim the Santa Fe had many classes of drop end gondolas in all different lengths. The type end I am talking about is, when looking straight at the cars drop end the re-enforcement on each side has two angles that come to a point, like an elbow, which Santa
Fe only built onto the Ga-91 and Ga-103 class cars. And yes both the Ga-91 and Ga-103 were built with plain bearing trucks ( see page 165 in Richard Hendrickson's book "Santa Fe Open Top Cars" Vol.7 for a Builders photo of a Ga-103 Gondola. Of course most
of the surviving cars were changed to roller bearing trucks in the 1970's and 80's.
Charlie Slater Sent from Outlook
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Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2019 10:12 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Santa Fe Gondola Charlie, what type of end do you mean? Drop ends? There were certainly more classes of Santa Fe gondolas with drop ends, than just two. At first I thought it could be a Ga-103 but I wondered if the plain bearing trucks would have been applied in 1958 to a brand new mill gondola. The only photo I have of one shows roller bearing trucks. Tim O'Connor On 7/7/2019 12:49 PM, charles slater wrote:
-- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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rwitt_2000
There is a 3/4 view of a similar gondola, but there seems to be no way to determine what class. The side construction appears to be similar.
https://www.kansasmemory.org/item/51175 Bob Witt
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charles slater
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Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2019 1:33 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Santa Fe Gondola There is a 3/4 view of a similar gondola, but there seems to be no way to determine what class. The side construction appears to be similar.
https://www.kansasmemory.org/item/51175 Bob Witt
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Ga-91 built at Topeka in 1955
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On 7/9/2019 4:33 PM, rwitt_2000 via Groups.Io wrote:
There is a 3/4 view of a similar gondola, but there seems to be no way to determine what class. The side construction appears to be similar. --
*Tim O'Connor* *Sterling, Massachusetts*
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Jake Schaible
Sticking with my initial hunch it's a Ga-70 See drawing at https://sfrhms.org/resources/drawings-from-the-societys-archives-and-publications/
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I wonder if those folio drawings are the ones I sold to Stephen Priest? There were
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about a thousand pages of freight car drawings. It looks like he's put them up online, which is great!
On 7/11/2019 2:06 AM, Jake Schaible wrote:
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*Tim O'Connor* *Sterling, Massachusetts*
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