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I got a bargain on a Kadee ACF 11k insulated tank car lettered for Mathieson Chemicals (SHPX) #2570 stenciled for anhydrous ammonia transport. I am also considering the RCW ACF 8k insulated tank car for Mathieson Chemical (SHPX) 4009-4014 and 4031-4032 stenciled for caustic soda loading to pair together on a through freight. I am trying to learn a little more about the car’s contents. Who/where they were produced and then consumed. There are some old posts in this group’s archives and the article linked below possibly point to their Saltville, Va. plant. I was wondering if they would be used together to produce something but that seems unlikely. If they were produced at the same plant they could be shipped out together and appear on the same train and eventually end up on a through freight on the1950 B&O tracks I model. They don’t seem to react strongly together so shipping together doesn’t seem like an issue. http://newspapers.digitalnc.org/lccn/2014236906/1954-07-01/ed-1/seq-5.pdf http://newspapers.digitalnc.org/lccn/2014236906/1954-05-01/ed-1/seq-6.pdf The article is an interesting read and I am curious if anyone on the group has further insights. Thank you for your consideration Beat Regards, Bruce D. Griffin Ashland, Md. |
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Scott
I would be curious what kind of rail car they transported Hydrazine in. That is some scary stuff. My good friend said they got hazard pay or something like it when they had to service the EPU on the F16 because of that stuff.
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C J Wyatt
This is what MTH thinks about that (smoking no less):
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https://www.mthtrains.com/30-73549 I am not convinced. Nowadays they talk about DOT 105J500W tank cars for the stuff. Jack Wyatt On Thursday, July 18, 2019, 12:22:42 AM EDT, Scott <repairman87@...> wrote:
I would be curious what kind of rail car they transported Hydrazine in. That is some scary stuff. My good friend said they got hazard pay or something like it when they had to service the EPU on the F16 because of that stuff. Scott McDonald |
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Bruce,
Anhydrous Amonia https://study.com/academy/lesson/anhydrous-ammonia-uses-safety.html
Caustic Soda https://www.icis.com/explore/resources/news/2007/11/01/9075189/caustic-soda-uses-and-market-data Not sure that they would be used together... Regards, Bruce Bruce Smith Auburn, AL From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bruce Griffin <bdg1210@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 8:19 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Mathieson Tank Cars Group,
I got a bargain on a Kadee ACF 11k insulated tank car lettered for Mathieson Chemicals (SHPX) #2570 stenciled for anhydrous ammonia transport. I am also considering the RCW ACF 8k insulated tank car for Mathieson Chemical (SHPX) 4009-4014 and 4031-4032 stenciled for caustic soda loading to pair together on a through freight. I am trying to learn a little more about the car’s contents. Who/where they were produced and then consumed. There are some old posts in this group’s archives and the article linked below possibly point to their Saltville, Va. plant. I was wondering if they would be used together to produce something but that seems unlikely. If they were produced at the same plant they could be shipped out together and appear on the same train and eventually end up on a through freight on the1950 B&O tracks I model. They don’t seem to react strongly together so shipping together doesn’t seem like an issue. http://newspapers.digitalnc.org/lccn/2014236906/1954-07-01/ed-1/seq-5.pdf http://newspapers.digitalnc.org/lccn/2014236906/1954-05-01/ed-1/seq-6.pdf The article is an interesting read and I am curious if anyone on the group has further insights. Thank you for your consideration Beat Regards, Bruce D. Griffin Ashland, Md. |
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Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
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I like how the car is stencilled NEW
8-19
LOL!
Claus Schlund
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Benjamin Hom
Claus Schlund wrote: "I like how the car is stencilled NEW 8-19 LOL!" Not weird at all. Tank cars were billed by volume, not weight, so they were light weighed only once during their service lives - when built. We've pointed this out numerous times over they years on both lists. Ben Hom |
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Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
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Hi Ben,
Your statement is of course completely correct - I
was refering to the notion that nothing about this car's construction makes
a 1919 build date plausible.
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Hazard Placards 2029 and 2030.
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Highly Corrosive - so either a glass lined or aluminum tank. On 7/18/2019 12:58 AM, C J Wyatt wrote:
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Perhaps not used together, but sometimes produced together. I think the Penn Salt and Hooker plants in Tacoma made both. Both products would be used in the northwest and west coast. On 7/18/2019 7:34 AM, Bruce Smith wrote:
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To illustrate Ben's point - a GATC Type 17 built in 1918, photographed in 1957. The age of the tank was probably important enough to record the built date clearly on the tank. On 7/18/2019 8:42 AM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
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RICH CHAPIN
both are bases, anhydrous ammonia weak, caustic strong, net result of mixing would be to drive ammonia gas out, not good it uncontrolled conditions.
now in a production facility with controls?, could be. I would think no shipping in adjacent tank cars Rich Chapin |
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Jack Mullen
On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 03:44 AM, RICH CHAPIN wrote:
I would think no shipping in adjacent tank carsPlacement of an anhydrous ammonia tank car next to one of caustic soda isn't prohibited today. Anhydrous is placarded as non-flammable gas, caustic as corrosive. I can't access some notes I have on steam era hazmat rules, but they covered far fewer commodities, and restrictions were fewer and simpler than modern rules. Jack Mullen |
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Jack Mullen
On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 08:13 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
The age of the tank was probably important enough to record the built date clearlyYes, but the built date for the tank isn't the date stenciled next to the weight, it's the built date at the bottom of the tank data at the right end of the tank. There's also a built date on the frame. The three dates are most often the same, but not necessarily so. A tank of a given age can be mounted on an older or newer frame, and sometimes a tank car bears a weigh date that's newer than the car. Jack |
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Friends,
To close the loop on this thread, I ended up just buying a second Kadee ACF 11k insulated tank car with the same number as the first for the same bargain price of $30. I assumed there was a SHPX 2571 roaming the rails with SHPX 2570. I don’t have access to all of my data so if anyone can confirm, it would be good to know, but I assume this to be true in 1950. I was able to easily remove the zero and replace it with a one. I will chronicle this in an upcoming blog. There were Mathieson plants shipping and recieving anhydrous ammonia at either end of my modeled section of the B&O Old Main Line, so these cars are appropriate for through freights in my 1950 era. Thank you for the insights. Best Regards, Bruce Griffin Ashland, MD PS for my PRR and NCR friends, I biked the RofW from Ashland 21 miles north to New Freedom and had lunch in the old station before heading home. |
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Per Ed Hawkins handout on the Kadee site. You are good. You could do 10 cars total :)
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On Aug 31, 2019, at 11:36 PM, Bruce Griffin <bdg1210@...> wrote:
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pennsylvania1954
Hi Bruce--I think you will find everything you want to know on these links.
https://www.kadee.com/STL2016RPM/11K-Gal._ICC-105A_ACF_Type%2027.pdf https://www.kadee.com/STL2016RPM/ACF105A-road.pdf https://www.kadee.com/STL2016RPM/ACF105A-lot.pdf -- Steve Hoxie Pensacola FL |
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