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what to do with all those leftover freight car trucks?
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Tom Swift has been posting wonderful pictures on Facebook of the CB&Q Havelock shops
in 1948. This one today shows a very interesting MP GS gondola being unloaded and a wide area shot showing lots of interesting freight car stuff. Tim O'Connor -- *Tim O'Connor* *Sterling, Massachusetts* |
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Richard McQuade
Thanks Tom. Great gondola load. Would never have thought of doing that.
Richard |
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In the photo I see truck frames and car doors. Where are the bottle of MEK?
Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA |
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In the paint shed.
Thanks!
From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io" <chiefbobbb@...>
In the photo I see truck frames and car doors. Where are the bottle of MEK? |
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rwitt_2000
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 02:15 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Tom Swift has been posting wonderful pictures on Facebook of the CB&Q Havelock shopsQuestion: I assume these side frames are the raw castings. What if any areas and surfaces were machined before they became part of a functioning truck? Bob Witt |
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Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 09:10 AM, rwitt_2000 wrote:
Question: I assume these side frames are the raw castings. What if any areas and surfaces were machined before they became part of a functioning truck?I don't believe there is any machining on freight car trucks. Clearances are figured so they can be used as cast. Same with Type E couplers. Dennis Storzek |
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Seth Lakin
Now the question is where was ASF’s and/or Bettendorf’s foundry where these loads originated? I’m modeling part of Pullman’s Michigan City plant and I’m trying to run down loads of parts into Pullman, and how they were routed.
One if the loads of supplies I’ve tracked down is boxcar doors from Youngstown Steel Door. They went west on the AC&Y to Delphos, Ohio and to the NKP. From there it was to Tipton Indiana and north on NKP’s Indianapolis branch to Michigan City and interchange to the Monon for final delivery to Pullman. Seth Lakin Michigan City IN |
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Bob Webber
Bettendorf s/b Iowa in Quad Cities. ASF, Chicago.
BTW, we have maps of the H&B shops along with building drawings - and the BoM can be figured from drawings (be a bit of time, but you can do it). We have some (earlier) H&B BoMs and Drawing List, but not later - although....depending on era, if it were actually *IN* the P-S era, then looking at the contract and correspondence files would reveal all of that - and perhaps the Maps (Ed may chime in there). http://www.pullmanlibrary.org/IndexCollection.htm http://www.pullmanlibrary.org/Research.htm And...remember, after 1924, this was never a "Pullman Plant". The plant was then a Pullman Car and Manufacturing Corp. (The Pullman Co. was the operating subsidiary of Pullman Incorporated), then in 1934, P-S was born, in 1947, The Pullman Co. was divested from Pullman Inc. (and sold to a consortium of railroads) - in any case, after 1934 (for certain) there were *NO* "Pullman" freight cars. At 03:53 PM 8/21/2019, Seth Lakin via Groups.Io wrote: Now the question is where was ASF's and/or Bettendorf's foundry where these loads originated? I'm modeling part of Pullman's Michigan City plant and I'm trying to run down loads of parts into Pullman, and how they were routed.Bob Webber |
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David Jobe, Sr.
AFAIK, ASF had no foundries in Chicago only the corporate office, at least
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by1973 after this list. Side frames and bolsters would have come from East St. Louis, Illinois until it was closed in 1959, Granite City, Illinois or Alliance, Ohio. Springs most likely came from Hammond, Indiana which also produced some forgings. Indiana Harbor, Indiana supplied smaller castings like couplers. There were three or four other works including Sharon, Pennsylvania, but I don't have my references readily available. Their foundry mark was an octagon circumscribing the letter for the works. Octagon E, G, A, H, I, etc. The only "machining" I recall, for certain, was grinding of various parting lines or vent risers. Hope That Helps, David Jobe, Sr. Saint Ann, Missouri ASF - Granite City Works 1973-1976 ASF - Hammond Works 1976-1977 -----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Webber Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 4:42 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] what to do with all those leftover freight car trucks? Bettendorf s/b Iowa in Quad Cities. ASF, Chicago. BTW, we have maps of the H&B shops along with building drawings - and the BoM can be figured from drawings (be a bit of time, but you can do it). We have some (earlier) H&B BoMs and Drawing List, but not later - although....depending on era, if it were actually *IN* the P-S era, then looking at the contract and correspondence files would reveal all of that - and perhaps the Maps (Ed may chime in there). http://www.pullmanlibrary.org/IndexCollection.htm http://www.pullmanlibrary.org/Research.htm And...remember, after 1924, this was never a "Pullman Plant". The plant was then a Pullman Car and Manufacturing Corp. (The Pullman Co. was the operating subsidiary of Pullman Incorporated), then in 1934, P-S was born, in 1947, The Pullman Co. was divested from Pullman Inc. (and sold to a consortium of railroads) - in any case, after 1934 (for certain) there were *NO* "Pullman" freight cars. At 03:53 PM 8/21/2019, Seth Lakin via Groups.Io wrote: Now the question is where was ASF's and/or Bettendorf's foundryBob Webber |
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Rick Jesionowski
Question, how were the doors shipped from YSD , on flatcars? gon? boxcar? it would make an interesting load if in an open top car. Rick Jesionowski |
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Matt Smith
Here are the YSD in gondola, I'm sorry I don't recall the source of the photo.
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al.kresse <water.kresse@...>
Do we have the source of this image to get a better copy? Al Kresse On August 22, 2019 at 10:04 AM Matt Smith <flyn96@...> wrote: |
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Richard Wilkens
The only area I think that would be "machined" would be the holes for the journal box covers, but this would be more drilling.
Rich Wilkens |
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The bronze bearings have to be seated in the journal boxes … it is unlikely that the raw castings would be suitable without some clean-up. Possibly the spring pads and bolster slots would also need some work. Was such done at the foundry, or at the RR shop?
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Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 08:08 AM, Richard Wilkens wrote:
The only area I think that would be "machined" would be the holes for the journal box covers, but this would be more drilling.Those are rather large diameter and require little precision. I suspect they are cored in the casting. Dennis Storzek |
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Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 08:38 AM, Daniel A. Mitchell wrote:
The bronze bearings have to be seated in the journal boxes … it is unlikely that the raw castings would be suitable without some clean-up. Possibly the spring pads and bolster slots would also need some work. Was such done at the foundry, or at the RR shop?The bearings seat against a loose piece in the box called the journal bearing wedge. These may well be machined, but only fit against locating bosses in the box. Dennis Storzek |
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sides were shipped upright in gondolas, like Lee Turner's model On 8/22/2019 9:53 AM, Rick Jesionowski via Groups.Io wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts |
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