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what to do with all those leftover freight car trucks?


Tim O'Connor
 


sides were shipped upright in gondolas, like Lee Turner's model


On 8/22/2019 9:53 AM, Rick Jesionowski via Groups.Io wrote:
Question, how were the doors shipped from YSD , on flatcars? gon? boxcar? it would make an interesting load if in an open top car.

Rick Jesionowski


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 08:38 AM, Daniel A. Mitchell wrote:
The bronze bearings have to be seated in the journal boxes … it is unlikely that the raw castings would be suitable without some clean-up. Possibly the spring pads and bolster slots would also need some work. Was such done at the foundry, or at the RR shop?
 
The bearings seat against a loose piece in the box called the journal bearing wedge. These may well be machined, but only fit against locating bosses in the box.

Dennis Storzek


Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 08:08 AM, Richard Wilkens wrote:
The only area I think that would be "machined" would be the holes for the journal box covers, but this would be more drilling.
Those are rather large diameter and require little precision. I suspect they are cored in the casting.

Dennis Storzek


Daniel A. Mitchell
 

The bronze bearings have to be seated in the journal boxes … it is unlikely that the raw castings would be suitable without some clean-up. Possibly the spring pads and bolster slots would also need some work. Was such done at the foundry, or at the RR shop?

Dan Mitchell
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On Aug 22, 2019, at 11:08 AM, Richard Wilkens <railsnw123@...> wrote:

The only area I think that would be "machined" would be the holes for the journal box covers, but this would be more drilling.

Rich Wilkens


Richard Wilkens
 

The only area I think that would be "machined" would be the holes for the journal box covers, but this would be more drilling.

Rich Wilkens


al.kresse <water.kresse@...>
 

Do we have the source of this image to get a better copy?


Al Kresse

On August 22, 2019 at 10:04 AM Matt Smith <flyn96@...> wrote:

Here are the YSD in gondola, I'm sorry I don't recall the source of the photo.
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Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL


Matt Smith
 

Here are the YSD in gondola, I'm sorry I don't recall the source of the photo.
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Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL


Rick Jesionowski
 

Question, how were the doors shipped from YSD , on flatcars? gon? boxcar? it would make an interesting load if in an open top car.

Rick Jesionowski


David Jobe, Sr.
 

AFAIK, ASF had no foundries in Chicago only the corporate office, at least
by1973 after this list. Side frames and bolsters would have come from East
St. Louis, Illinois until it was closed in 1959, Granite City, Illinois or
Alliance, Ohio. Springs most likely came from Hammond, Indiana which also
produced some forgings. Indiana Harbor, Indiana supplied smaller castings
like couplers. There were three or four other works including Sharon,
Pennsylvania, but I don't have my references readily available. Their
foundry mark was an octagon circumscribing the letter for the works.
Octagon E, G, A, H, I, etc.

The only "machining" I recall, for certain, was grinding of various parting
lines or vent risers.

Hope That Helps,

David Jobe, Sr.
Saint Ann, Missouri

ASF - Granite City Works 1973-1976
ASF - Hammond Works 1976-1977

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Bettendorf s/b Iowa in Quad Cities. ASF, Chicago.

BTW, we have maps of the H&B shops along with building drawings - and
the BoM can be figured from drawings (be a bit of time, but you can
do it). We have some (earlier) H&B BoMs and Drawing List, but not
later - although....depending on era, if it were actually *IN* the
P-S era, then looking at the contract and correspondence files would
reveal all of that - and perhaps the Maps (Ed may chime in there).

http://www.pullmanlibrary.org/IndexCollection.htm
http://www.pullmanlibrary.org/Research.htm

And...remember, after 1924, this was never a "Pullman Plant". The
plant was then a Pullman Car and Manufacturing Corp. (The Pullman Co.
was the operating subsidiary of Pullman Incorporated), then in 1934,
P-S was born, in 1947, The Pullman Co. was divested from Pullman Inc.
(and sold to a consortium of railroads) - in any case, after 1934
(for certain) there were *NO* "Pullman" freight cars.



At 03:53 PM 8/21/2019, Seth Lakin via Groups.Io wrote:
Now the question is where was ASF's and/or Bettendorf's foundry
where these loads originated? I'm modeling part of Pullman's
Michigan City plant and I'm trying to run down loads of parts into
Pullman, and how they were routed.

One if the loads of supplies I've tracked down is boxcar doors from
Youngstown Steel Door. They went west on the AC&Y to Delphos, Ohio
and to the NKP. From there it was to Tipton Indiana and north on
NKP's Indianapolis branch to Michigan City and interchange to the
Monon for final delivery to Pullman.

Seth Lakin
Michigan City IN
Bob Webber


Bob Webber
 

Bettendorf s/b Iowa in Quad Cities. ASF, Chicago.

BTW, we have maps of the H&B shops along with building drawings - and the BoM can be figured from drawings (be a bit of time, but you can do it). We have some (earlier) H&B BoMs and Drawing List, but not later - although....depending on era, if it were actually *IN* the P-S era, then looking at the contract and correspondence files would reveal all of that - and perhaps the Maps (Ed may chime in there).

http://www.pullmanlibrary.org/IndexCollection.htm
http://www.pullmanlibrary.org/Research.htm

And...remember, after 1924, this was never a "Pullman Plant". The plant was then a Pullman Car and Manufacturing Corp. (The Pullman Co. was the operating subsidiary of Pullman Incorporated), then in 1934, P-S was born, in 1947, The Pullman Co. was divested from Pullman Inc. (and sold to a consortium of railroads) - in any case, after 1934 (for certain) there were *NO* "Pullman" freight cars.



At 03:53 PM 8/21/2019, Seth Lakin via Groups.Io wrote:
Now the question is where was ASF's and/or Bettendorf's foundry where these loads originated? I'm modeling part of Pullman's Michigan City plant and I'm trying to run down loads of parts into Pullman, and how they were routed.

One if the loads of supplies I've tracked down is boxcar doors from Youngstown Steel Door. They went west on the AC&Y to Delphos, Ohio and to the NKP. From there it was to Tipton Indiana and north on NKP's Indianapolis branch to Michigan City and interchange to the Monon for final delivery to Pullman.

Seth Lakin
Michigan City IN
Bob Webber


Seth Lakin
 

Now the question is where was ASF’s and/or Bettendorf’s foundry where these loads originated? I’m modeling part of Pullman’s Michigan City plant and I’m trying to run down loads of parts into Pullman, and how they were routed. 

One if the loads of supplies I’ve tracked down is boxcar doors from Youngstown Steel Door. They went west on the AC&Y to Delphos, Ohio and to the NKP. From there it was to Tipton Indiana and north on NKP’s Indianapolis branch to Michigan City and interchange to the Monon for final delivery to Pullman. 

Seth Lakin
Michigan City IN


Dennis Storzek
 

On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 09:10 AM, rwitt_2000 wrote:
Question: I assume these side frames are the raw castings. What if any areas and surfaces were machined before they became part of a functioning truck?
 I don't believe there is any machining on freight car trucks.   Clearances are figured so they can be used as cast. Same with Type E couplers.

Dennis Storzek


rwitt_2000
 

On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 02:15 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Tom Swift has been posting wonderful pictures on Facebook of the CB&Q Havelock shops
in 1948. This one today shows a very interesting MP GS gondola being unloaded and a
wide area shot showing lots of interesting freight car stuff.

Tim O'Connor
Question: I assume these side frames are the raw castings. What if any areas and surfaces were machined before they became part of a functioning truck?

Bob Witt


 

In the paint shed.

 

 

Thanks!
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Brian Ehni

 

 

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In the photo I see truck frames and car doors. Where are the bottle of MEK?
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Bob Chaparro
 

In the photo I see truck frames and car doors. Where are the bottle of MEK?
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Richard McQuade
 

Thanks Tom. Great gondola load. Would never have thought of doing that.
Richard


Tim O'Connor
 

Tom Swift has been posting wonderful pictures on Facebook of the CB&Q Havelock shops
in 1948. This one today shows a very interesting MP GS gondola being unloaded and a
wide area shot showing lots of interesting freight car stuff.

Tim O'Connor



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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*