[Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Are these the recently discussed LCL Corp containers being loaded into B&O gons?


Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Claus, Gang;

Yes, there are at least two.

This (1931) was in the big LCL Corporation experiment with the railroads, wasn't it?

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood

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Hi Elden,

I don't have the answer to the question, but I do notice there are at least two different design containers in the gons.

Claus Schlund



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Thanks!

Elden Gatwood


RICH CHAPIN
 

The "Report of the Mechanical Advisory Committee to the Federal Coordinator of Transportation" [Dec 27, 1935] indicates the B&O had 300 LCL merchandise containers since 1929. Capacity 420 cubic ft, with dimensions of 9' 3.5" x 7' 2.5" x 8' 2" high. NYC, and LV also had those containers. There are taller [9' 4.5" high] containers ,but these had legs and these not listed as being used by the B&O. The containers with legs, designed for fork truck loading on drop-side gons, are listed for the NYC, LV and RDG. The taller had lift rings, so the drop-side not a requirement. Wonder what the side dimension on that gon is? Neat picture, the containers in photo could be these two. I have the LV 1928 container tariff, don't remember B&O interchange point, will have to dig out. I'd guess the NYC interchanged with B&O at Rochester, Buffalo and ????. 

Rich Chapin


Eric Hansmann
 

Rich,

The steel gons all look like USRA mill gon designs. Note the crease on the drop ends.

The 1931 photo pre-dates the B&O acquisition of the Buffalo, Rochester & Pittsburgh. If they came via LV or NYC interchange in the western tier, then they came in by the BR&P. There's a BR&P mill gon to the right of the crane in the full image.

Another NYC connection to consider is the P&LE. The B&O interchanged with the P&LE in the Pittsburgh District, possibly McKeesport. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



On November 22, 2019 at 4:38 AM "RICH CHAPIN via Groups.Io" <rwc27q@...> wrote:

The "Report of the Mechanical Advisory Committee to the Federal Coordinator of Transportation" [Dec 27, 1935] indicates the B&O had 300 LCL merchandise containers since 1929. Capacity 420 cubic ft, with dimensions of 9' 3.5" x 7' 2.5" x 8' 2" high. NYC, and LV also had those containers. There are taller [9' 4.5" high] containers ,but these had legs and these not listed as being used by the B&O. The containers with legs, designed for fork truck loading on drop-side gons, are listed for the NYC, LV and RDG. The taller had lift rings, so the drop-side not a requirement. Wonder what the side dimension on that gon is? Neat picture, the containers in photo could be these two. I have the LV 1928 container tariff, don't remember B&O interchange point, will have to dig out. I'd guess the NYC interchanged with B&O at Rochester, Buffalo and ????. 

Rich Chapin

 


Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Great info, Rich!

Elden Gatwood

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The "Report of the Mechanical Advisory Committee to the Federal Coordinator of Transportation" [Dec 27, 1935] indicates the B&O had 300 LCL merchandise containers since 1929. Capacity 420 cubic ft, with dimensions of 9' 3.5" x 7' 2.5" x 8' 2" high. NYC, and LV also had those containers. There are taller [9' 4.5" high] containers ,but these had legs and these not listed as being used by the B&O. The containers with legs, designed for fork truck loading on drop-side gons, are listed for the NYC, LV and RDG. The taller had lift rings, so the drop-side not a requirement. Wonder what the side dimension on that gon is? Neat picture, the containers in photo could be these two. I have the LV 1928 container tariff, don't remember B&O interchange point, will have to dig out. I'd guess the NYC interchanged with B&O at Rochester, Buffalo and ????.

Rich Chapin