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ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?
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Lester Breuer
CB&T Shops produced the Limited Edition Car I purchased in the photo in 2013. Ends and roof match the prototype photo in the 1946 Car Builder’s Cyc; however, side panels on model are six vs five on the prototype. Doors also not correct. My question not having any reference data on the Santa Fe. Were any cars produced with the number of panels the model has?
Any info. on prototype cars appreciated. Thank You for your time and effort to respond in advance. Lester Breuer
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Andy Carlson
Hi Lester- On the Steam Era Freight Car Web Site (different from this io group) Ed Hawkins has data for almost all post war AAR 40' box cars and has data for these cars, but I can say that the Santa Fe was one of three RRs which had 40' 10'6" IH 6' single door 12 riveted panel boxcars. Santa Fe, Denver & Rio Grande and the Great Northern. The Rio Grande had straight lower side sills (think "Cookie cutter"). The Santa Fe Bx-48? box cars had the one year only Youngstown "upside down" 6/6/5 improved Youngstown steel door, built in 1946 which this model has. For a 1946 car, 4/4 improved Dreadnaught ends and rectangular Stanray roof are correct. Your car is remarkably close to being correct, though I can not say if the ATSF straight line map would be correct for this particular class. Andy Carlson Ojai CA
On Monday, December 16, 2019, 3:06:42 PM PST, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:
CB&T Shops produced the Limited Edition Car I purchased in the photo in 2013. Ends and roof match the prototype photo in the 1946 Car Builder’s Cyc; however, side panels on model are six vs five on the prototype. Doors also not correct. My question not having any reference data on the Santa Fe. Were any cars produced with the number of panels the model has? Any info. on prototype cars appreciated. Thank You for your time and effort to respond in advance. Lester Breuer
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When I was creating my freight car roster for my 1957 layout Richard gave me some data on these cars. I have pasted that below. Note I have not yet looked into what reworkings are needed.
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Brian J. Carlson
On Dec 16, 2019, at 6:06 PM, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:
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Todd Sullivan
Just as a footnote, the prototype photo is of a class Bx-44 Class boxcar, not a Class Bx-48 which is what Brian and Andy have referenced. The CB&T Shops model is lettered as a Bx-48, so their comments pertain to that class, not the Bx-44.
Todd Sullivan.
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mopacfirst
The Bx-44 had five panels per side, making it not right for the CB&T model. The Branchline car is much closer.
Interestingly enough, although this class came with those intermediate Youngstown doors with the wide panels (and I went out of my way to equip my Branchline cars with those Southwest Scale doors), most or all of this class had the doors replaced in later years with a newer Youngstown door much closer to the door in the Branchline kit. Ron Merrick
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I have one Bx-48 photo.
Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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WILLIAM PARDIE
It is interesting that this particular car uses the small herald Bill Pardie Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: "Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io" <chiefbobbb@...> Date: 12/16/19 3:13 PM (GMT-10:00) To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ? Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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WILLIAM PARDIE
It should be noted that Pierre Oliver produced a super kit for this car. I don't know if he still has them in stock Bill Pardie Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: "Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io" <chiefbobbb@...> Date: 12/16/19 3:13 PM (GMT-10:00) To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ? Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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WILLIAM PARDIE
Ooops! Pierre's kit was a Bx44. Bill Pardie Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> Date: 12/16/19 4:49 PM (GMT-10:00) To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ? It should be noted that Pierre Oliver produced a super kit for this car. I don't know if he still has them in stock Bill Pardie Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io" <chiefbobbb@...> Date: 12/16/19 3:13 PM (GMT-10:00) To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ? Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Pierre Oliver
As a matter of fact I do have few still
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Pierre Oliver www.elgincarshops.com www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On Dec 16, 2019, at 9:50 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE <pardiew001@...> wrote:
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Pierre Oliver
Actually
Pierre Oliver www.elgincarshops.com www.yarmouthmodelworks.com On 12/16/19 10:52 p.m., WILLIAM PARDIE
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John Barry
Bill, The three foot Herald was standard, but a two foot version was used where a standard one would not fit between the riveted seams of steel cars or the bracing on single sheathed cars. John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696 PO Box 44736 Washington, DC 20026-4736
On Tuesday, December 17, 2019, 3:16:50 AM GMT+1, WILLIAM PARDIE <pardiew001@...> wrote: It is interesting that this particular car uses the small herald Bill Pardie Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io" <chiefbobbb@...> Date: 12/16/19 3:13 PM (GMT-10:00) To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ? Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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The model's prototype Bx-48 had 12 panel riveted sides, but the panels closest to the ends were WIDER than the other panels. So, no one has done a Bx-48 in plastic in any scale. Shave off the rivets, and replace with Archers. C&BT Shops produced 28 physically different permutations of the postwar 10'6" AAR box cars - including 12 panel cars with same-sized panels. Many of the permutations have no prototype at all. But for 12 panel 10'6" cars I think it's the only source in HO scale. (Intermountain offers a 10'0" 12 panel body.) Tim O'Connor
On 12/16/2019 6:06 PM, Lester Breuer wrote:
CB&T Shops produced the Limited Edition Car I purchased in the photo in 2013. Ends and roof match the prototype photo in the 1946 Car Builder’s Cyc; however, side panels on model are six vs five on the prototype. Doors also not correct. My question not having any reference data on the Santa Fe. Were any cars produced with the number of panels the model has? --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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I think the straight line map is correct for 1946. Ship & Travel came a little later? Tim O'Connor
On 12/16/2019 6:44 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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and the other side
On 12/16/2019 8:13 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:
I have one Bx-48 photo. --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Lester Breuer
The CB&T Shops Model has on the other side has the slogan in the attached photo.
Lester Breuer
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Lester Breuer
It attached this time.
Lester Breuer
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Lester Breuer
Question on ATSF Bx -48 on the running board. Ed Hawkins has U.S. Gypsum (expanded metal) and Pierre in his kit 105.1 states Apex Tri-Lok. Are both correct? And, I do not know what the U.S. Gypsum expanded metal looks like. Does the term “expanded metal” give it a different shape than the open diamond pattern formed by stamping and stretching 12-guage steel which I believe is the same as the Plano Model Products #192 US Gypsum -Diamond pattern ( photo attached)?
Lester Breuer
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mopacfirst
The Santa Fe boxcar book (Boxcars of the Santa Fe 1869-1953) sheds no light on the Bx-48 roofwalk manufacturer. But I have on occasion used a plastic roofwalk made by Intermountain, which is in the 10' IH 6-panel boxcar and possibly in the PS-1. This is intended to represent an expanded-metal (early Gypsum) roofwalk, and it actually has some texture to it. It's thicker than an etched metal roofwalk, but it's beveled on the underside to make the thickness less obvious.
Ron Merrick
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Bernd Schroeder
Am 18.12.19, 02:54 schrieb mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...>:
The Santa Fe boxcar book (Boxcars of the Santa Fe 1869-1953) sheds no light on the Bx-48 roofwalk manufacturer. But I have on occasion used a plastic roofwalk made by Intermountain, which is in the 10' IH 6-panel boxcar and possibly in the PS-1. This is intended to represent an expanded-metal (early Gypsum) roofwalk, and it actually has some texture to it. It's thicker than an etched metal roofwalk, but it's beveled on the underside to make the thickness less obvious.
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