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Erie Boxcar red help


Brian Carlson
 

My only local hobby shop caters more to the plastic kit (airplanes, cars etc) modelers than Model RR but they are good for things like paint. I am going to be painting an Erie Boxcar in the near future and they have Vallejo and Tamiya paints. Does anyone have a color in either line that would be close to the color of the attached photo? I’ve learned the color name on the label means nothing. Heck Lester B used Vallejo Model Color Red Leather to model PRR FCC and it looks good.

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

 


Pierre Oliver
 

And the printed colour charts from Vallejo are of little help as well, as I've discovered
Best thing to do is take the photo to the shop and peruse the options

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 1/01/20 3:14 p.m., Brian Carlson via Groups.Io wrote:

My only local hobby shop caters more to the plastic kit (airplanes, cars etc) modelers than Model RR but they are good for things like paint. I am going to be painting an Erie Boxcar in the near future and they have Vallejo and Tamiya paints. Does anyone have a color in either line that would be close to the color of the attached photo? I’ve learned the color name on the label means nothing. Heck Lester B used Vallejo Model Color Red Leather to model PRR FCC and it looks good.

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

 


Schleigh Mike
 

Hello Group & Brian!

My best choice for the ERIE's FCR was the Floquil FCR for the ATSF.  I have never compared it with Vallejo or Tamiya but perhaps that color would provide you a basis to choose.

Not to go tangential here but, in my experience, Intermountain never got this right on their ERIE boxcars.  Branchline did it better and perhaps is another comparison you might make.

Regards --- Mike Schleigh from Grove City, Penna.

On Wednesday, January 1, 2020, 03:14:28 PM EST, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io <prrk41361@...> wrote:


My only local hobby shop caters more to the plastic kit (airplanes, cars etc) modelers than Model RR but they are good for things like paint. I am going to be painting an Erie Boxcar in the near future and they have Vallejo and Tamiya paints. Does anyone have a color in either line that would be close to the color of the attached photo? I’ve learned the color name on the label means nothing. Heck Lester B used Vallejo Model Color Red Leather to model PRR FCC and it looks good.

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

 


Greg Martin
 

Brian,  

TESTORS Flat Grapefruit in the 1/4oz. bottles.  I gat mine at Michaels Arts and Craft. It is a rather new color.  It may be a bit light, but very close.

Greg Martin 



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Brian Carlson via Groups.Io" <prrk41361@...>
Date: 1/1/20 12:14 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Erie Boxcar red help

My only local hobby shop caters more to the plastic kit (airplanes, cars etc) modelers than Model RR but they are good for things like paint. I am going to be painting an Erie Boxcar in the near future and they have Vallejo and Tamiya paints. Does anyone have a color in either line that would be close to the color of the attached photo? I’ve learned the color name on the label means nothing. Heck Lester B used Vallejo Model Color Red Leather to model PRR FCC and it looks good.

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

 


--
Hey Boss,


Somehow I got deleted from this group in late May. I guess someone didn't like me. Jail is a lonely place.

Greg Martin 


Nelson Moyer
 

Or buy a bottle of Tru Color Erie Freight Car Brown, which is matched to color chips and is more brown than the red in the photo.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pierre Oliver
Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2020 2:41 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie Boxcar red help

 

And the printed colour charts from Vallejo are of little help as well, as I've discovered
Best thing to do is take the photo to the shop and peruse the options

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com

On 1/01/20 3:14 p.m., Brian Carlson via Groups.Io wrote:

My only local hobby shop caters more to the plastic kit (airplanes, cars etc) modelers than Model RR but they are good for things like paint. I am going to be painting an Erie Boxcar in the near future and they have Vallejo and Tamiya paints. Does anyone have a color in either line that would be close to the color of the attached photo? I’ve learned the color name on the label means nothing. Heck Lester B used Vallejo Model Color Red Leather to model PRR FCC and it looks good.

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

 


Todd Sullivan
 

And just to add to the discussion, most of the ERIE boxcars I saw during 5+ years of prowling about the E-L Port Jervis Yard were a lot browner than the photo posted.  I suspect the slide in the photo was Kodachrome which shifted colors toward red. 

Another thought: this only really matters if you are modeling a new or recently repainted car.  The Northeast was a dirty place in the 1940s and 1950s with lots of steam locos and coal-fired factories and power plants.  Cars darkened pretty quickly in that environment.

Todd Sullivan


Corey Fischer
 

I agree,

 The idea that a paint needs to be exactly “Erie Brown” is ridiculous for an in-service and slightly weathered car. Paint fades and weathers differently. Plenty of examples of this can be found even with the more stable paints of today. Just mix whatever paints you have on stock to get close to that color it. You want different shades of paint on cars from the same road, its more prototypical. 

Corey

On Jan 1, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Todd Sullivan via Groups.Io <sullivant41@...> wrote:

And just to add to the discussion, most of the ERIE boxcars I saw during 5+ years of prowling about the E-L Port Jervis Yard were a lot browner than the photo posted.  I suspect the slide in the photo was Kodachrome which shifted colors toward red. 

Another thought: this only really matters if you are modeling a new or recently repainted car.  The Northeast was a dirty place in the 1940s and 1950s with lots of steam locos and coal-fired factories and power plants.  Cars darkened pretty quickly in that environment.

Todd Sullivan


Marty McGuirk
 

My go-to color for a basic freight car red has become Vallejo "Rust" - which for a while was sold by Micro-Mark as "Boxcar Red." I'll usually tint it one way or the other with either a crimson red or a earth/flesh tone depending on if I want to lighten and/or darken it. 
It's considerably less brown and a much warmer color than the old Floquil/Polly Scale BCR, which always seemed a little bluish/purple to my eye. 

Here's a car painted with straight Vallejo Rust prior to a flat coat being applied - 


Marty McGuirk

On January 1, 2020 at 5:05 PM Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

Or buy a bottle of Tru Color Erie Freight Car Brown, which is matched to color chips and is more brown than the red in the photo.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pierre Oliver
Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2020 2:41 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie Boxcar red help

 

And the printed colour charts from Vallejo are of little help as well, as I've discovered
Best thing to do is take the photo to the shop and peruse the options

Pierre Oliver
    
www.elgincarshops.com
    
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
    

On 1/01/20 3:14 p.m., Brian Carlson via Groups.Io wrote:

My only local hobby shop caters more to the plastic kit (airplanes, cars etc) modelers than Model RR but they are good for things like paint. I am going to be painting an Erie Boxcar in the near future and they have Vallejo and Tamiya paints. Does anyone have a color in either line that would be close to the color of the attached photo? I’ve learned the color name on the label means nothing. Heck Lester B used Vallejo Model Color Red Leather to model PRR FCC and it looks good.

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

 

 



 


WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Nice job on this early Westerfield car.  I did this car when it first came out but that car has suffered some damage.  I have decals for a later period and have obtained another kit.  One note.  The ladders on this and several other MP cars were wider than normal.  Westerfield now has the proper ladders as a separate part.

Bull Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: Marty McGuirk <mjmcguirk@...>
Date: 1/2/20 3:09 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie Boxcar red help

My go-to color for a basic freight car red has become Vallejo "Rust" - which for a while was sold by Micro-Mark as "Boxcar Red." I'll usually tint it one way or the other with either a crimson red or a earth/flesh tone depending on if I want to lighten and/or darken it. 
It's considerably less brown and a much warmer color than the old Floquil/Polly Scale BCR, which always seemed a little bluish/purple to my eye. 

Here's a car painted with straight Vallejo Rust prior to a flat coat being applied - 


Marty McGuirk
On January 1, 2020 at 5:05 PM Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

Or buy a bottle of Tru Color Erie Freight Car Brown, which is matched to color chips and is more brown than the red in the photo.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pierre Oliver
Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2020 2:41 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie Boxcar red help

 

And the printed colour charts from Vallejo are of little help as well, as I've discovered
Best thing to do is take the photo to the shop and peruse the options

Pierre Oliver
    
www.elgincarshops.com
    
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
    

On 1/01/20 3:14 p.m., Brian Carlson via Groups.Io wrote:

My only local hobby shop caters more to the plastic kit (airplanes, cars etc) modelers than Model RR but they are good for things like paint. I am going to be painting an Erie Boxcar in the near future and they have Vallejo and Tamiya paints. Does anyone have a color in either line that would be close to the color of the attached photo? I’ve learned the color name on the label means nothing. Heck Lester B used Vallejo Model Color Red Leather to model PRR FCC and it looks good.

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

 

 



 


Marty McGuirk
 

The ongoing saga of this car continues! 
Thanks for the tip on the Westerfield wider ladders - will have to check them out.
This is actually the second of these kits I’ve built.
Its predecessor was one of the first resin cars I’d built - made out of the old dark resin.
I built it in the stateroom on an LST. 
Made the mistake of test fitting the trucks and went on watch - came back to two trucks rolling around on the deck still attached to the remains of the bolsters - and what seemed like hundreds of little resin fragments.
Marty McGuirk 


On Jan 2, 2020, at 1:08 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:


Nice job on this early Westerfield car.  I did this car when it first came out but that car has suffered some damage.  I have decals for a later period and have obtained another kit.  One note.  The ladders on this and several other MP cars were wider than normal.  Westerfield now has the proper ladders as a separate part.

Bull Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Marty McGuirk <mjmcguirk@...>
Date: 1/2/20 3:09 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie Boxcar red help

My go-to color for a basic freight car red has become Vallejo "Rust" - which for a while was sold by Micro-Mark as "Boxcar Red." I'll usually tint it one way or the other with either a crimson red or a earth/flesh tone depending on if I want to lighten and/or darken it. 
It's considerably less brown and a much warmer color than the old Floquil/Polly Scale BCR, which always seemed a little bluish/purple to my eye. 

Here's a car painted with straight Vallejo Rust prior to a flat coat being applied - 


Marty McGuirk
On January 1, 2020 at 5:05 PM Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

Or buy a bottle of Tru Color Erie Freight Car Brown, which is matched to color chips and is more brown than the red in the photo.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pierre Oliver
Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2020 2:41 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie Boxcar red help

 

And the printed colour charts from Vallejo are of little help as well, as I've discovered
Best thing to do is take the photo to the shop and peruse the options

Pierre Oliver
    
www.elgincarshops.com
    
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
    

On 1/01/20 3:14 p.m., Brian Carlson via Groups.Io wrote:

My only local hobby shop caters more to the plastic kit (airplanes, cars etc) modelers than Model RR but they are good for things like paint. I am going to be painting an Erie Boxcar in the near future and they have Vallejo and Tamiya paints. Does anyone have a color in either line that would be close to the color of the attached photo? I’ve learned the color name on the label means nothing. Heck Lester B used Vallejo Model Color Red Leather to model PRR FCC and it looks good.

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

 

 



 


mopacfirst
 

I can attest to the Westerfield ladders -- as a MoPac modeler, I'm now on my second order of them.

Ron Merrick


Ken Adams
 

My go to color for the past two years is to use a spray can of Tamiya Red Oxide primer. After that it it is tint washes of Vallejo paints brush applied till I get the shade I want for a specific car. 

I have to spray out on my townhouse deck when the wind dies down and the fog or fall forest fire smoke is not present which is a limitation. I can use the Vallejo washes indoors.