Correction PRR Stock cars on Southern Pacific or Union Pacific tracks?
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David North
Thanks to everyone who replied. I’ll pass your responses on to my friend. Cheers Dave
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Bill Keene
I think that the great flood in Kansas City was in 1951.
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We lived in Kansas City at the time of the flood. My dad worked in the Phillips refinery and was away from the house for several days. Cheers, Bill Keene Irvine, CA
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What was the date of the infamous KANSAS CITY FLOOD in the 1950's?? I recall that immediately following the floods there was an ICC car service directive regarding stock cars that lasted for a number of months during which eastern stock cars were seen all over the midwest. The aftermath of the flood was covered in a major article in Trains magazine. Denver also experienced massive flooding of the Platte river in the 1950's. Such events can cause long lasting disruption to freight car service patterns. (A more recent catastrophe being the UP's "meltdown" in the 1990's that spread like a virus from Texas to the entire US.) Tim O'Connor
On 2/7/2020 8:31 AM, David North wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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I have evidence of a PRR stockcar, either a K7 or K7A, being on the MSTL in Iowa. PRR 135263 was loaded with cattle at So St Paul, and shipped to Dallas Center IA on the MSTL, arriving on 8-8-1945. While this is not the SP or UP, it does show that PRR stockcars got west of the Mississippi.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
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David,
Certainly, if you understand stock car movements. Stock cars were generally used to transport livestock to market and that is well understood; however, stock movements were also used to move livestock from feeding/grazing lands/ areas in order to fatten the stock for market, as in the case of cattle.
Railroads were always behind the curve with stock cars, thus the reason for the leasing of cars from companies like Mather.
So to see a brace of PRR cars on the UP or SP isn't likely but the occasional would certainly be acceptable in your modeling.
Greg Martin
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
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Dennis Storzek
The other possibility, pointed out by that photo of loading brick into a stockcar, is a non-livestock backhaul load. While brick typically didn't move far enough to get a PRR car on the SP, cut stone architectural l details could, as could terra cotta, both of which are weather resistant enough to travel in a stockcar. Remember, the car service rules allow a car to be loaded BEYOND its home district, provided the owner road participates in the move, so it is possible, if not likely.
Dennis Storzek
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Greg Martin
David,
Certainly, if you understand stock car movements. Stock cars were generally used to transport livestock to market and that is well understood; however, stock movements were also used to move livestock from feeding/grazing lands/ areas in order to fatten the stock for market, as in the case of cattle.
Railroads were always behind the curve with stock cars, thus the reason for the leasing of cars from companies like Mather.
So to see a brace of PRR cars on the UP or SP isn't likely but the occasional would certainly be acceptable in your modeling.
Greg Martin
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean Sent from AOL Desktop
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-- Hey Boss, Somehow I got deleted from this group in late May. I guess someone didn't like me. Jail is a lonely place. Greg Martin
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Dave,
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Never say never… UP and SP stock cars made their way onto PRR rails with some frequency. That is likely due to a shortage of cars at points like Chicago since through shipment of livestock did not happen due to rest requirements. It seems much
less likely to happen going west off of PRR rails, with one big exception and that would be shipments of smaller numbers of specialized stock and horses. So could it happen? I’d say yes. Was it frequent? Probably not. Regards Bruce
Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
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David North
Correction- A friend has asked if PRR stock cars would have been seen on Southern Pacific or Union Pacific tracks. I would have thought no, but thought I’d check with you guys first, before replying to him. He models 1954. Cheers Dave
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