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Hi what are the ends on the C&EI car and are the any other major differences between them.

Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Februar 2020 um 16:57 Uhr
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Hi what are the ends on the C&EI car and are the any other major differences between them.

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On 18 Feb 2020, at 16:01, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@gmx.net> wrote:

Hello Paul,

the floor of the Wabash car is a fishbelly type, whereas the C&EI is "flat".

Greetings

Johannes
modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

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Hi what are the ends on the C&EI car and are the any other major differences between them.

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On 18 Feb 2020, at 18:09, Allen Cain <Allencaintn@...> wrote:



In addition to the floor previously noted there are several detail differences:

Roof Corners notched on C&EI

Tack Board Locations one high, one middle

Bottom Rib on Doors on C&EI is shorter

Side corner brace angles appear to be different

Horizontal "reinforcement" on lower part of side channel on WAB not on C&EI

Ladder on C&EI while drop grab irons on WAB

Door low handles on C&EI with mid door grabs on WAB and different styles

Cannot see the roof and ends on the C&EI but MIGHT be another difference.

Will leave it to others to count the rivets!

Allen Cain

On 18 Feb 2020, at 19:38, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:



Paul,

Just checked my 1958 ORER. The CE&I car is an XM car, and does not list any end doors. There is no mention of end doors on the Wabash car, but they may be there welded shut (some similar Wabash cars had them). It is an XAR car and was still equipped with auto racks, which would imply chain tubes below the floor. Some Wabash cars also had a lever brake instead of a wheel. The Wabash car also has a radial roof. If you are doing a conversion and the CE&I car has a peaked roof, you will have a very useful radial roof casting for your parts supply. Note that the CE&I car has a short rib in the lower door panel, and there are six ribs on that panel versus five of matching length on the Wabash; both door openings are 12' wide. Lastly, the Wabash car appears to be about 3" taller, and 3" longer overall, but this is negligible for a kitbash.

You need more photos of the C&EI car, especially showing the ends.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆

On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 10:57 AM Paul Doggett via Groups.Io <paul.doggett2472=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi what are the ends on the C&EI car and are the any other major differences between them.

Paul Doggett     England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

On 26 Feb 2020, at 00:55, Rich Yoder <oscale48@comcast.net> wrote:

Hi Paul,
There are several differences. Door hardware, Door track both top and bottom. Ladder rungs on WAB - C&IE has a ladder. It appears that the WAB has a fish belly center sill. I doubt they were built by the same company.
Rich Yoder

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Hi what are the ends on the C&EI car and are the any other major differences between them.

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