SP drop_bottom_gon and an SP flat
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Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi List Members,
Zoom in to see an SP drop_bottom_gon and an SP flat with lumber loads. Road
numbers can be made out on these both
Enjoy!
Claus Schlund
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vapeurchapelon
Hello Claus,
many thanks for the link - but I have to say that this time the ship is much more interesting than the freight cars...!
Regards
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 03. Juni 2020 um 17:58 Uhr
Von: "Claus Schlund \(HGM\)" <claus@...> An: "STMFC" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Betreff: [RealSTMFC] SP drop_bottom_gon and an SP flat Hi List Members,
Zoom in to see an SP drop_bottom_gon and an SP flat with lumber loads. Road numbers can be made out on these both
Enjoy!
Claus Schlund
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Indeed! A 6 masted ship!
Thanks!
From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...>
Hello Claus,
many thanks for the link - but I have to say that this time the ship is much more interesting than the freight cars...!
Regards
Johannes Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 03. Juni 2020 um 17:58 Uhr Hi List Members,
Zoom in to see an SP drop_bottom_gon and an SP flat with lumber loads. Road numbers can be made out on these both
Enjoy!
Claus Schlund
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Ralph W. Brown
Hi Brian,
In sailor’s parlance, that would be a “schooner” rather than a
“ship.” Interesting just the same. But, I digress . . .
Pax,
Ralph
Brown
Portland, Maine PRRT&HS No. 3966 NMRA No. L2532 rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
From: BRIAN PAUL
EHNI
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 7:53 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SP drop_bottom_gon and an SP
flat Indeed! A 6 masted ship!
Thanks!
From:
<main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf
of vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...>
Hello Claus,
many thanks for the link - but I have to say that this time the ship is much more interesting than the freight cars...!
Regards
Johannes Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 03. Juni
2020 um 17:58 Uhr Hi List Members,
Zoom in to see an SP drop_bottom_gon and an SP flat with lumber loads. Road numbers can be made out on these both
Enjoy!
Claus Schlund
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I was going to say schooner but wasn’t positive. Should have gone with my (ample) gut feeling!
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Thanks! Brian Ehni (Sent from my iPhone)
On Jun 3, 2020, at 11:08 PM, Ralph W. Brown <rbrown51@...> wrote:
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Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
On 6/3/2020 9:13 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI
wrote:
I was going to say schooner but wasn’t positive. Should have gone with my (ample) gut feeling! Just wondering, is that
stack (between 1st and 2nd mast) on the schooner or somewhere
else? -- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User SPROG User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Hard to tell from just this photo, but some of later sailing ships had some minimal auxiliary power. Also such ships and barges (unpowered), especially steel-hulled ones, often had a steam boiler for running deck (cargo) winches and such.
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Dan MItchell ==========
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Ralph W. Brown
Hi Jon,
I suspect the stack is on a tug or some other small vessel, most probably a
tug as it appears to be very close aboard. Note that all the standing and
running rigging on both sides of the schooner is visible with the smoke from
that stack on the far side of the rigging. The stack is also too far
forward for propulsion engines and too large for a galley stack.
Incidentally, lumber was a very common cargo for such vessels. What
isn’t absolutely clear to me is whether the cargo is loaded from or to the rail
cars, although my guess is from.
Pax,
Ralph
Brown
Portland, Maine PRRT&HS No. 3966 NMRA No. L2532 rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
From: Jon
Miller
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 1:05 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SP drop_bottom_gon and an SP
flat On 6/3/2020 9:13 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI
wrote:
I was going to say schooner but wasn’t positive. Should have gone with my (ample) gut feeling! Just wondering, is that
stack (between 1st and 2nd mast) on the schooner or somewhere
else? -- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User SPROG User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Todd Sullivan
I believe that the dock with the 6 masted schooner is at SP's lumber wharf on the Willamette River in East Portland, Oregon. I also think it is more likely that the schooner would be loading lumber for Pacific Ocean ports. There was a pretty healthy lumber trade using such schooners in the 1890s through perhaps the 1920s. Also, the SP had 6-8 branch lines on both sides of the Willamette Valley that served many sawmills and lumbering operations.
Todd Sullivan
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tmkprr1954
I will point out that the schooner does not have any sails on the booms/gaffs. It may be that it is being used as a barge (happened a lot in their later years) and the rigging has been retained as cargo handling devices. Stack could very well be a tugboat alongside, or perhaps boiler for steam winch on the foredeck (left of photo). Tom Kane Purcellville, VA
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The photo date is certainly wrong - SP 53745 is a G-50-6 gondola built by Haskell & Barker in 1916. So not 1880's. The flat car is SP 41683.
On 6/3/2020 11:58 AM, Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
HI Tim,
The date is indicated as “1880/1949”. The image is obviously neither from
1880 nor 1949. I think the “1880/1949” indicates the span of dates covered
by the “Angelus Studio Photographs”, the collection which this image is a part
of
Claus Schlund
From: Tim
O'Connor
Sent: 8 June, 2020 12:08
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SP drop_bottom_gon and an SP
flat The photo date is certainly wrong - SP 53745 is a G-50-6 gondola built by Haskell & Barker in 1916. So not 1880's. The flat car is SP 41683. On 6/3/2020 11:58 AM, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) wrote:
-- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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