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Image of string of boxcars Chicago IL 1952
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Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi List Members,
Image of string of boxcars Chicago IL 1952 Enjoy!
Claus Schlund
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mopacfirst
This is the IC yards, just south of the river? Looking southwest toward the Loop? Randolph St.?
Ron Merrick
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Todd Horton
C of G car to the very left. Todd Horton
On Monday, July 27, 2020, 06:54:35 PM EDT, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) <claus@...> wrote:
Hi List Members,
Image of string of boxcars Chicago IL 1952 Enjoy!
Claus Schlund
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Dennis Storzek
On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 04:46 PM, mopacfirst wrote:
This is the IC yards, just south of the river? Looking southwest toward the Loop? Randolph St.?Yes Dennis Storzek
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Michael Gross
Agree with Dennis Storzek.
I grew up in Chicago and loved the views of the yards from Grant Park before all the air rights were sold to real estate developers. Also loved seeing the huge, iconic Pabst Blue Ribbon sign. -- Michael Gross Pasadena, CA
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Rich C
Michael, I agree great shots. A shame they scrapped the PBR sign. Apparently was used for the war effort. The funny part is they dismantled it after the war! I was in Chicago last year for a Free-mo show and got to see another icon, the Morton Salt drying shed?. I understand that is kind of a landmark now. Rich Christie
On Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 12:28:27 PM CDT, Michael Gross <actormichaelgross@...> wrote:
Agree with Dennis Storzek. I grew up in Chicago and loved the views of the yards from Grant Park before all the air rights were sold to real estate developers. Also loved seeing the huge, iconic Pabst Blue Ribbon sign. -- Michael Gross Pasadena, CA
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np328
Here is a link to the Chicago Past website, I know I have posted this prior however it has some go railroad photos buried within and here some good color of the Pabst sign and railroad cars.
Many Jack Delano photos, again discussed here prior. https://chicagopast.com/tagged/Illinois-Central-Railroad My father who lived for many years in Chicago often had comments that echoed Michael's when we went down into the loop area as a family on short vacations and he revisited old haunts. I am always amazed at all the trackage on the north side of the river that served the Merchandise Mart, and extended out to the Navy Pier at one time in earlier years top of this photo http://collections.carli.illinois.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/uic_caps/id/105 Jim Dick St. Paul, MN
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Dennis Storzek
On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 03:25 PM, np328 wrote:
http://collections.carli.illinois.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/uic_caps/id/105I've lived in the Chicago area all my life, grew up in the city. IIRC the area with the IC yard and freight house was known as South Water Street Market, while the area north of the river that the C&NW served was the North Water Street Market. North Water St. still survives, it is the street that runs between Ogden Slip (at the extreme north edge of the photo on the right side) and the river, but South Water St. is long gone. Dennis Storzek
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Rich C
Fantastic shots, Jim Rich Christie
On Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 05:25:34 PM CDT, np328 <jcdworkingonthenp@...> wrote:
Here is a link to the Chicago Past website, I know I have posted this prior however it has some go railroad photos buried within and here some good color of the Pabst sign and railroad cars. Many Jack Delano photos, again discussed here prior. https://chicagopast.com/tagged/Illinois-Central-Railroad My father who lived for many years in Chicago often had comments that echoed Michael's when we went down into the loop area as a family on short vacations and he revisited old haunts. I am always amazed at all the trackage on the north side of the river that served the Merchandise Mart, and extended out to the Navy Pier at one time in earlier years top of this photo http://collections.carli.illinois.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/uic_caps/id/105 Jim Dick St. Paul, MN
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mopacfirst
What impresses me, coming from a place that has no vertical dimension to speak of, is how Lake Shore Drive was elevated over all that railroad scenery and now, when you approach that area from the west at the current street level, how far down it all is.
To have at least a mention of railroads in this post, I will mention that I first went to Chicago for a railfan visit from Wichita in the spring of 1970, the same week the CZ came off. Ron Merrick
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Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
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Hi Jim and List Members,
Thanks Jim for the links.
Jim wrote: "Many Jack Delano photos, again
discussed here prior. https://chicagopast.com/tagged/Illinois-Central-Railroad "
Within the above link I noticed the specific image
linked below...
I see the trainman looks to have linked the brake
hoses on two cuts of cars on two separate tracks. It looks like he did this with
the railroad equivalent of an 'extension cord' connecting the two brakelines.
What exactly is going on there? Is he using one engine (perhaps out of sight at
the far end of one of these two cuts) to charge the brakes on both cuts? Perhaps
the engine is already coupled onto one cut, and will
then immediately couple onto the second cut, and then
move both cuts together? Other ideas?
I note that every car has TWO blue flags
- one on the coupler and another one on the end ladder
Claus Schlund
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Claus,
Two flags - Each flag was placed by someone working on the cars. This indicates multiple people working on/with these cars. You can only remove the flag you placed. This prevents someone removing someone else's blue flag protection by accident. My guess is
that the loading dock personnel placed on, and the carman placed the other.
As for the hose, it sure looks like he is charging the brakes. If I were a betting person, I would bet that the other end of one of those strings is connected, not to a loco, but to a compressor. He's getting the strings ready to move and by charging the air,
it will get them out faster. He may also be doing brake tests/inspections prior to the cars being pulled. "Yard air" was fairly common and allowed these things to occur without using valuable locomotive crew time.
And what gives with the end of the car in the middle? At first, I though it might be an unpainted replacement panel, but instead it looks like spilled cargo that has seeped through the seam in the end? Clearly not a "tight" seam...
And of course, these photos are available directly from the Library of Congress as opposed to tumblr.
Regards
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Claus Schlund \(HGM\) <claus@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 8:50 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Image of string of boxcars Chicago IL 1952 Hi Jim and List Members,
Thanks Jim for the links.
Jim wrote: "Many Jack Delano photos, again discussed here prior.
https://chicagopast.com/tagged/Illinois-Central-Railroad "
Within the above link I noticed the specific image linked below...
I see the trainman looks to have linked the brake hoses on two cuts of cars on two separate tracks. It looks like he did this with the railroad equivalent of an 'extension cord' connecting the two brakelines. What exactly is
going on there? Is he using one engine (perhaps out of sight at the far end of one of these two cuts) to charge the brakes on both cuts? Perhaps the engine is already coupled onto one cut, and will then immediately couple onto the second cut, and then move both
cuts together? Other ideas?
I note that every car has TWO blue flags - one on the coupler and another one on the end ladder
Claus Schlund
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On another group a person commented about this photo: "Does the blue flag rule cover cars being loaded or unloaded? No. Are/were blue flags used to protect cars being loaded or unloaded? Yes." Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Mont Switzer
Bob,
In the world of bulk liquid and dry bulk it has been my experience that if hoses were hooked up the blue flat were in place before and after.
Mont
Montford L. Switzer President Switzer Tank Lines, Inc. Fall Creek Leasing, LLC. (765) 836-2914
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On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 11:28 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Image of string of boxcars Chicago IL 1952
On another group a person commented about this photo: "Does the blue flag rule cover cars being loaded or unloaded? No. Are/were blue flags used to protect cars being loaded or unloaded? Yes." Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Dennis Storzek
On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 08:27 AM, Bob Chaparro wrote:
I've seen this question kicked around before. Pertinent points: 1) The railroad rule books call this "Inspection and Repair Protection". Nothing about loading and unloading. 2) It is only defined in the railroad rulebook, not generally available to the customer's dock workers. 3) The railroad had a vested interest that the blue signal not be misused, so as not to dilute its meaning. That is difficult to enforce if the people hanging the signal are not railroad employees. On the other hand, the industry could hang any sort of sign or marker on the cars spotted at their dock that they wanted. Signs that said "HOSES CONNECTED" were common. If they happened to be blue, well so be it. However, these signs were not technically blue signals as defined by Rule 26. The blue flags visible in the Delano photo may represent a special case. This is a railroad freight house, so the dock workers ARE railroad employees. So indeed, the IC could have decided that Rule 26 did apply to the men loading the cars at a freight house. Dennis Storzek
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np328
Some other photos of this immediate area found on the Chicago Past site
The South Water Street freight terminal from a different angle: https://chicagopast.com/post/34106990652 Again blue flags are seen. A comment - under the photos are live links that not only reference the area but link other photos by subject. A look from the other direction, camera aimed south, and I would imagine the the photographer is atop the Tribune Tower:https://chicagopast.com/tagged/Grant+Park/page/4 A link under the photo to Trains. (Is the Tribune Tower where the "MEISTER BRAU SHOWCASE was broadcast from?) And this other photo for our reefer fans: https://chicagopast.com/tagged/Millennium-Park An icing dock center and then ramps crossing from rooftop to rooftop of boxcars, to the reefers nearer. Even utilizing a running board along the way. Center left, whose round top car is that? And a link under the photo to Rail Yards. And John Vachon. Jim Dick - Roseville, MN
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Tony Thompson
Jim Dick wrote: And this other photo for our reefer fans: https://chicagopast.com/tagged/Millennium-Park Okay, who's gonna model this arrangement? Tony Thompson
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Brent Greer
Probably few if any will model it. Would most likely have to be a stub end part of some diorama to do it right. But I do love the American ingenuity to find workable solutions to the realities of the day. I also love that in the photograph, the ice ramp
is crossing over several non-refrigerated car roofs to get to the reefers that needed icing. My kind of engineering - find a way to make it work !
Brent
Dr. J. Brent Greer
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Steve SANDIFER
This was clearly before OSHA.
J. Stephen Sandifer
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Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 6:47 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Image of string of boxcars Chicago IL 1952
Probably few if any will model it. Would most likely have to be a stub end part of some diorama to do it right. But I do love the American ingenuity to find workable solutions to the realities of the day. I also love that in the photograph, the ice ramp is crossing over several non-refrigerated car roofs to get to the reefers that needed icing. My kind of engineering - find a way to make it work !
Brent Dr. J. Brent Greer
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