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Broadway Limited 6.000 gallon tank cars


Ted Culotta
 

Regarding the Ethyl emblem, it goes back further than 1952. It was used on cars as early as 1944 and likely prior to that, as well. Printing decals for them (dekuhls in Canadian).

Cheers,
Ted


Ian Cranstone
 

Interesting fun fact about those UTLX cars – they're actually cars belonging to UTLX's Canadian subsidiary Products Tank Line of Canada, being former Canadian Industries Limited cars built by Canadian Car & Foundry (likely licence-built using AC&F designs), transferred to UTLX reporting marks beginning in 1957. Broadway did a 4-pack of these cars in an earlier run, and also did a four-pack of CILX cars earlier. If you have a close look at the artwork on the Broadway site, you will see CC&F as the builder.

Of course, since the Products Tank Line of Canada's markings were identical to parent UTLX's markings, only the truly picky will worry about them being Canadian cars. It wasn't until after 1962, when the Products Tank Line of Canada became Procor Limited that the Canadian operation took on a visible identity.

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
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On 2020-08-07 21:05, Ron Merrick wrote:


I don't remember the UTLX black scheme from the first run, but those might be more useful than any of the colorful ones.


mopacfirst
 

Steve:

Thanks for the research on these.  I picked up one of the Ethyl black-band cars before I realized it was too late for me, but I didn't have exact dates.

I don't remember the UTLX black scheme from the first run, but those might be more useful than any of the colorful ones.

Ron Merrick


Steve SANDIFER
 

If I am reading Richard’s article correctly, and looking at the BLI website, I come up with the following dates for the BLI paint schemes.

 

Columbia Southern car paint scheme is good from 1953.

Great Western Dow Chemical is not shown in the article.

Ethyl Corporation Gray w/Black and Yellow Logo paint scheme is good from 1952-1970s

Ethyl Corporation Dark Gray with/Black Band is good from the 1970s onward (Photo in article is 1977).

Hooker As-Delivered Scheme is not as-delivered according to Richard. The as delivered was Black with red stripe down the middle. He does not mention this BLI scheme.

Hooker Billboard scheme is good from end of WWII. In another article and a post on this list he corrected the date to early as April, 1952.

Penn Salt paint scheme is good from “the 50s” with a photo showing 2/55.

Stauffer Chemical photo is not shown in the article.

UTLX paint scheme is not shown in the article.

 

I hope some of our tank car specialist will chime in on these dates.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeff Helm
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 9:45 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Broadway Limited 6.000 gallon tank cars

 

I just found my copy of a September 2004 RMJ article that Richard Hendrickson wrote about the 6000 gallon pressure tank cars used for chlorine and in there he states that the orange and black scheme appeared after WWII, so my earlier statement was clearly off.  He also has a photo of the black and red scheme that Hawkins describes, dated 1938.  

Regards
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Jeff Helm
Bremerton WA


Tony Thompson
 

Jeff Helm wrote:

I just found my copy of a September 2004 RMJ article that Richard Hendrickson wrote about the 6000 gallon pressure tank cars used for chlorine and in there he states that the orange and black scheme appeared after WWII, so my earlier statement was clearly off.  He also has a photo of the black and red scheme that Hawkins describes, dated 1938.  

      Richard supplied a lot of the prototype information to BLI for their tank cars.

Tony Thompson




Jeff Helm
 

I just found my copy of a September 2004 RMJ article that Richard Hendrickson wrote about the 6000 gallon pressure tank cars used for chlorine and in there he states that the orange and black scheme appeared after WWII, so my earlier statement was clearly off.  He also has a photo of the black and red scheme that Hawkins describes, dated 1938.  

Regards
--
Jeff Helm
Bremerton WA


Jeff Helm
 

Here’s a post from Ed Hawkins on this list that I kept, regarding painting of ACF built Hooker tanks.  Unfortunately I lost the date reference:

From AC&F bill of materials data, I provide the following information
regarding HOKX cars.

#221-222 built 3-40, lot no. 2030, 4,000 gal. car, ICC 103B. "Vita-Var"
Pliolite Red used on ends and top of casing except center band. Black used
on center band, dome, bottom of casing, underframe, and trucks. White
stencils.

#225-226 built 6-41, lot no. 2218, 8,000 gal. car, ICC 103BW. Same scheme as
above although builder's photo appears to be painted entirely black. I trust
the paint specs to be the way the production cars were painted rather than
the way builder's photos "appear" to be painted.

#638-641, built 12-36, lot no. 1567, 6,000 gal. car, ICC 105A500. Same
scheme as above. Barely visible in the builder's photo is the black center
band. Not much contrast between the black and Pliolite Red colors.

#215, built 10-37, lot no. 1742, 8,000 gal. car, ICC 103B, Same scheme as
above. This bill of materials specified width of center band as 6'-5".

#216, built 4-39, lot no. 1868, 8,000 gal. car, ICC 103B. Same scheme as
above.

There were a few more cars that AC&F built for HOKX, but this is all that
I've researched to date. I have no information regarding what "Pliolite Red"
looks like. Hope this helps.

Regards,
Ed Hawkins

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Jeff Helm
Bremerton WA


Jeff Helm
 

That’s interesting Tony, I’ve been looking for a good timeline on the changes with Hooker paint history.  My information is mostly from photos.  Curious, does the photo you reference have the block lettering or the “billboard” logo for Hooker?

i have seen b&w photos that show a two tone paint scheme with block lettering, but I believe those were red and black from previous threads in the subject on this list.

Thanks
--
Jeff Helm
Bremerton WA


Tony Thompson
 

Jeff Helm wrote:

Hooker and PennSalt changed their schemes over the years. The orange and black billboard scheme for Hooker started in late ‘50s and went to mid ‘60s . . .

      I have a photo from the Richard Hendrickson collection of an orange and black Hooker tank (Tacoma) dated 1949. Don't know the paint history otherwise, perhaps someone on the list will.

Tony Thompson




Jeff Helm
 

Hooker and PennSalt changed their schemes over the years. The orange and black billboard scheme for Hooker started in late ‘50s and went to mid ‘60s, original as-built in the 30s and 40s was black.  In between there was a dark red and black.  There are photos showing dozens of the Hooker orange and black tanks together in Tacoma and at Niagara Falls.

PennSalt had the brown originally, with the yellow and blue roughly the same time period as Hookers orange and black. More difficult to find photos of those. Not sure how many were painted that way but at least a few.
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Jeff Helm
Bremerton WA


Tony Thompson
 

gary laakso wrote:

I never realized that they came in such dazzling colors:

   These are all prototype schemes, but remember that most represent a handful of cars, sometimes only one.

Tony Thompson




Allen Cain
 

Would be nice if they included the built and shop dates.

Allen Cain


Jon Miller
 

On 8/6/2020 9:57 AM, gary laakso wrote:
I never realized that they came in such dazzling colors:

    Notice they are now in 2 packs down from initial release of 4 packs.  Way back I thought the Hooker should be black but lots of emails, the orange is correct.

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Brian Carlson
 

These mostly appear to be new numbers on schemes already run. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Aug 6, 2020, at 12:57 PM, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:



I never realized that they came in such dazzling colors:

 

https://www.broadway-limited.com/6000gallontankcar.aspx 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock


gary laakso
 

I never realized that they came in such dazzling colors:

 

https://www.broadway-limited.com/6000gallontankcar.aspx 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock