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C&O 70 town hopper help


Brian Carlson
 

It is definitely a Kato. Black is correct. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Aug 20, 2020, at 11:41 AM, Mont Switzer <MSwitzer@...> wrote:



Schuyler,

 

I stand corrected, I believe that is a KATO model.  Details are not as fine a the IM cars----more opportunities for the prototype modeler.

 

Mont

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 11:15 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 70 town hopper help

 

Well, CURRENT IM models have different sill steps and a few other minor differences.

 

https://www.intermountain-railway.com/ho/hohoppers.html

and scroll down a LOT.

 

I’ve seen that sort of  “protective packaging” before which I think should assist in identifying the manufacturer.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mont Switzer
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 7:34 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 70 town hopper help

 

Lester,

 

Looks like an Intermountain model.  I have one and it checked out nicely with prototype photos.

 

Mont

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lester Breuer
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 7:14 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] C&O 70 town hopper help

 

I am attaching a photo of a C&O class “LO” hopper model gifted me.  Number and other lettering appear to be accurate for a 70 hopper in the series the hopper is in.  I am asking if the black color is correct or should it be gray?   And, who produced the hopper?  Thank you for your time and effort to help in advance.

Lester Breuer

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Mont Switzer
 

Schuyler,

 

I stand corrected, I believe that is a KATO model.  Details are not as fine a the IM cars----more opportunities for the prototype modeler.

 

Mont

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 11:15 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 70 town hopper help

 

Well, CURRENT IM models have different sill steps and a few other minor differences.

 

https://www.intermountain-railway.com/ho/hohoppers.html

and scroll down a LOT.

 

I’ve seen that sort of  “protective packaging” before which I think should assist in identifying the manufacturer.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mont Switzer
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 7:34 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 70 town hopper help

 

Lester,

 

Looks like an Intermountain model.  I have one and it checked out nicely with prototype photos.

 

Mont

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lester Breuer
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 7:14 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] C&O 70 town hopper help

 

I am attaching a photo of a C&O class “LO” hopper model gifted me.  Number and other lettering appear to be accurate for a 70 hopper in the series the hopper is in.  I am asking if the black color is correct or should it be gray?   And, who produced the hopper?  Thank you for your time and effort to help in advance.

Lester Breuer

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Schuyler Larrabee
 

Well, CURRENT IM models have different sill steps and a few other minor differences.

 

https://www.intermountain-railway.com/ho/hohoppers.html

and scroll down a LOT.

 

I’ve seen that sort of  “protective packaging” before which I think should assist in identifying the manufacturer.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mont Switzer
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 7:34 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 70 town hopper help

 

Lester,

 

Looks like an Intermountain model.  I have one and it checked out nicely with prototype photos.

 

Mont

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lester Breuer
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 7:14 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] C&O 70 town hopper help

 

I am attaching a photo of a C&O class “LO” hopper model gifted me.  Number and other lettering appear to be accurate for a 70 hopper in the series the hopper is in.  I am asking if the black color is correct or should it be gray?   And, who produced the hopper?  Thank you for your time and effort to help in advance.

Lester Breuer

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Mont Switzer
 

Lester,

 

Looks like an Intermountain model.  I have one and it checked out nicely with prototype photos.

 

Mont

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lester Breuer
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 7:14 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] C&O 70 town hopper help

 

I am attaching a photo of a C&O class “LO” hopper model gifted me.  Number and other lettering appear to be accurate for a 70 hopper in the series the hopper is in.  I am asking if the black color is correct or should it be gray?   And, who produced the hopper?  Thank you for your time and effort to help in advance.

Lester Breuer

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Ed Hawkins
 



On Aug 19, 2020, at 6:13 PM, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:

I am attaching a photo of a C&O class “LO” hopper model gifted me.  Number and other lettering appear to be accurate for a 70 hopper in the series the hopper is in.  I am asking if the black color is correct or should it be gray?   And, who produced the hopper?  Thank you for your time and effort to help in advance.

Lester,
All C&O LO’s of the 1958 cu. ft. design built from 1937 thru 1953 were painted entirely black with white stencils. Builders included ACF, GATC, Ralston Steel Car Co., and Pullman-Standard. Data & selected builder & in-service photos were published in RP CYC Volumes 27 (ACF), 28 (GATC) and 30 (RSC, P-S). 

The model of C&O 1013 is intended to represent a prototype car from series 800-1299, 500 cars built ca. 12-48 to 2-49 by Ralston Steel Car Co. (lot 2575). A Ralston builder photo of C&O 1143 was published on p. 239 of the 1949-51 Car Builders’ Cyclopedia. It shows the car painted “builder gray” that was done by some car builders to better illustrate the car’s details, rather than the production scheme painted black that tended to make the details more difficult to discern. In-service photos of C&O 823 (original paint, 3-54 reweigh) & 1211 (6-57 repaint) were published on p. 91 of RP CYC Volume 30.

Regarding the decoration of the model, the final three orders of C&O’s 1958 cu. ft. LO covered hopper cars built in 1948, 1952, and 1953 (the last two series from Pullman-Standard as shown on pages 36-38 of RP CYC Volume 30) came with the C and O for Progress monogram with steam trail. Whereas the model has the later straight-line version of the monogram, which would represent a repainted car circa 1955 or later. Missing on the model to the right of the Lt. Wt. line are stencils to identify the reweigh station symbol & date stencils that could reflect where & when the car was repainted - perhaps something like RA 9-55 to represent the repainted car weighed at C&O’s Raceland, Kentucky car shops. This is easily lettered with decals as well as some journal box repack stencils that the model also lacks. 

While I don’t have an exact date when the “For Progress” monogram change occurred, photos of new cars denote it was between 2-54 & 9-55. Hope this helps. 
Regards,
Ed Hawkins







Bill McClure
 

Lester, black is correct. I think Kato as well.

Bill McClure


Karen Parker
 

I was going to guess Bowser. In any case the black color is correct for the time frame. The gray started in the early 1950s.

Karen

Karen Parker


roblmclear
 

Not sure of the accuracy but I think it is a Kato Model

Rob McLear
Aussie.


Lester Breuer
 

I am attaching a photo of a C&O class “LO” hopper model gifted me.  Number and other lettering appear to be accurate for a 70 hopper in the series the hopper is in.  I am asking if the black color is correct or should it be gray?   And, who produced the hopper?  Thank you for your time and effort to help in advance.

Lester Breuer