Flat Black
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Denny Anspach <danspachmd@...>
Now that Testor’s (ModelMaster) have apparently left the hobby market (joining with MTH next April), what have listers been choosing for their solvent based paints, particularly flat black. The Tamiya is excellent, but also the very flattest of any flat black imaginable. I have some Floquil left, but it is from the end of production, it never drys, and is -hesitantly- headed for the trash.
Denny Denny S. Anspach, MD Sacramento, CA 95864 |
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Tony Thompson
Denny Anspach wrote:
You can still buy Scalecoat, or the Star Brand paint from PBL is very dependable. I find myself using it more and more. Tony Thompson |
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Jack Burgess <jack@...>
Denny….
I have not heard that Testor’s was leaving…thanks for mentioning that fact. (Who/what is MTH?) I still have a dozen unopened Floquil bottles left so I just ordered another bottle of Testor’s paint thinner for them. Hopefully, I’ll run out of Floquil paint just after I build the last YV model on my list and those 45+ resin kits…
Jack Burgess
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Denny Anspach
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 1:22 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Flat Black
Now that Testor’s (ModelMaster) have apparently left the hobby market (joining with MTH next April), what have listers been choosing for their solvent based paints, particularly flat black. The Tamiya is excellent, but also the very flattest of any flat black imaginable. I have some Floquil left, but it is from the end of production, it never drys, and is -hesitantly- headed for the trash.
Denny
Denny S. Anspach, MD Sacramento, CA 95864
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Robert J Miller CFA <cajonpass1995@...>
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Jack Burgess <jack@...>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 5:12:02 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Flat Black Denny….
I have not heard that Testor’s was leaving…thanks for mentioning that fact. (Who/what is MTH?) I still have a dozen unopened Floquil bottles left so I just ordered another bottle of Testor’s paint thinner for them. Hopefully, I’ll run out of Floquil paint just after I build the last YV model on my list and those 45+ resin kits…
Jack Burgess
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Denny Anspach
Now that Testor’s (ModelMaster) have apparently left the hobby market (joining with MTH next April), what have listers been choosing for their solvent based paints, particularly flat black. The Tamiya is excellent, but also the very flattest of any flat black imaginable. I have some Floquil left, but it is from the end of production, it never drys, and is -hesitantly- headed for the trash.
Denny
Denny S. Anspach, MD Sacramento, CA 95864
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Andy Miller
Tony,
Who is PBL ? The only Star brand paint I can find on the internet is an African company making house paint!
Regards,
Andy Miller
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 4:41 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Flat Black
Denny Anspach wrote:
You can still buy Scalecoat, or the Star Brand paint from PBL is very dependable. I find myself using it more and more.
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Tony Thompson
Originally it stood for Peter Built Locomotives (proprietor Bill Peter), in Ukiah, CA. Google Star Brand paint.
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Tony Thompson On Aug 31, 2020, at 2:38 PM, Andy Miller <aslmmiller@...> wrote:
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Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
This shop buys and sells Floquil. http://www.narrowgaugemodeling.com/floquil-paint/ -- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User SPROG User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS |
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Tony Thompson
Try P-B-L or use this link: https://www.p-b-l.com/catalog/cfm/catalog.cfm Tony Thompson |
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Ralph W. Brown
Hi Denny,
like Scalecoat I, which I’ve getting either from Walthers or directly from
Minutemen.
Pax,
Ralph
Brown
Portland, Maine PRRT&HS No. 3966 NMRA No. L2532 rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com From: Denny
Anspach
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 4:21 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Flat Black Now
that Testor’s (ModelMaster) have apparently left the hobby market (joining with
MTH next April), what have listers been choosing for their solvent based paints,
particularly flat black. The Tamiya is excellent, but also the very
flattest of any flat black imaginable. I have some Floquil left, but it is from
the end of production, it never drys, and is -hesitantly- headed for the trash.
Denny
Denny
S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento,
CA 95864
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Todd Sullivan
Denny,
Tamiya also has a semi-gloss black in bottles and rattle cans. It turns out to be a good match for some factory-painted models in terms of luster (e.g., P2K steam locos). Todd Sullivan |
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Todd Sullivan
Jack -
MTH is Mike's Train House, a head-to-head competitor to Lionel in the tinplate realm which got into HO scale maybe a decade ago with interesting offerings such as SP AC-5 Cab Forwards, a slew of NYC Mohawks, and their own proprietary digital + sound system. Todd Sullivan whose brother worked at Lionel at one point |
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Jack Burgess <jack@...>
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andy Miller
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 2:38 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Flat Black
Tony,
Who is PBL ? The only Star brand paint I can find on the internet is an African company making house paint!
Regards,
Andy Miller
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Denny Anspach wrote:
You can still buy Scalecoat, or the Star Brand paint from PBL is very dependable. I find myself using it more and more.
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Todd Sullivan
Or try here ...
https://www.p-b-l.com/pdfs/Painting_&_Weathering_with_Star_Brand_Paints_150dpi.pdf They also import Sn3 locos and equipment, and have a line of detail parts. Todd Sullivan |
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And Tamiya's Matte Black is good if you do not need to add decals. Just used some yesterday.
-- Ken Adams Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek |
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Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
On 9/1/2020 10:14 AM, Ken Adams
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And Tamiya's Matte Black And there's a place on eBay
that sells Tamiya's lacquer (flat black among others).
Appears to be real lacquer as I have added from my gallon of
lacquer thinner and it didn't gel, just thins down. Never
have seen it in the US. I have ordered and got half a dozen
containers. It's not cheap. -- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User SPROG User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS |
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Nelson Moyer
Check Hobbylinc for Tamiya paints. I just bought 12 cans of Tamiya Fine Light Gray Primer, and they discount Tamiya products 20%.
Nelson Moyer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Jon Miller
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2020 12:29 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Flat Black
On 9/1/2020 10:14 AM, Ken Adams wrote:
And there's a place on eBay that sells Tamiya's lacquer (flat black among others). Appears to be real lacquer as I have added from my gallon of lacquer thinner and it didn't gel, just thins down. Never have seen it in the US. I have ordered and got half a dozen containers. It's not cheap. -- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User SPROG User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS |
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For dead flat black paint, believe it or not, I have been using Krylon Black Primer/Ultra-Flat. Rattle can only, but it is as black as the monolith! It dries very fast (usually <10 min) and shrinks a bit too, so if you put it on a little heavy, wait until it dries, all may not be lost (as long as you don't have sags or runs).
For black where decals need to be added, I use either ScaleCoat I or II (depending on whether the model is metal or plastic). By the way, I use standard lacquer thinner with the ScaleCoat I and put it in a 200° oven for about 1/2 hour or so to dry. Comes out looking like a new Steinway piano! -- John |
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Mont Switzer
I learned the hard way to always use Scalecoat II thinner with Scalecoat II paint. Mont Switzer From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of John Sykes III via groups.io [johnsykesiii@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2020 5:14 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Flat Black For dead flat black paint, believe it or not, I have been using Krylon Black Primer/Ultra-Flat. Rattle can only, but it is as black as the monolith! It dries very fast (usually <10 min) and shrinks a bit too, so if you put it on a little heavy, wait
until it dries, all may not be lost (as long as you don't have sags or runs).
For black where decals need to be added, I use either ScaleCoat I or II (depending on whether the model is metal or plastic). By the way, I use standard lacquer thinner with the ScaleCoat I and put it in a 200° oven for about 1/2 hour or so to dry. Comes out looking like a new Steinway piano! -- John |
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Mont:
I use standard paint thinner (a/k/a mineral spirits, a/k/a Stoddard solvent) with SCII (I do not use the low-odor paint thinner). SCI is a whole different problem. Since DioSol has gone the way of the dinosaurs, you have lacquer thinner (do not use the junk they sell as HD or Lowes, go to a good paint store and get the "hot" automotive lacquer thinner), and Steve Hoxie uses xylenes (a/k/a xylol). I've tried the xylenes and it works well but is more expensive than the lacquer thinner (I get my LT at Sherwin Williams). The junk they sell at HD, Lowes and Ace is only good for cleaning brushes, spills, etc. If you are in California, getting these solvents may be a problem, so drive over to Nevada. ScaleCoat paints (both I & II) require a high-VOC thinner to work properly. I think the latest can I got was like 800 g/L VOCs (would give a California tree-hugger a stroke!). -- John |
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Tony Thompson
John Sykes wrote: SCI is a whole different problem. Since DioSol has gone the way of the dinosaurs, you have lacquer thinner (do not use the junk they sell as HD or Lowes, go to a good paint store and get the "hot" automotive lacquer thinner), and Steve Hoxie uses xylenes (a/k/a xylol). I've tried the xylenes and it works well but is more expensive than the lacquer thinner (I get my LT at Sherwin Williams). The junk they sell at HD, Lowes and Ace is only good for cleaning brushes, spills, etc. Good "professional" paint stores have all this stuff in California. The "Big Box" boys don't want to do the paperwork, but it can certainly be sold here. Incidentally, as John knows, there is no unique entity "paint thinner." A wide variety of formulations have been and still are so marketed. Mineral sports usually dominate, but lots of other things, such as turpentine, naphtha, toluene and MEK may also be present. And for those not familiar, "VOC" stands for Volatile Organic Compounds." Tony Thompson Berkeley, CA |
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